The Writing on the Wall

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Last time I checked almost everything is locked behind the campaign quest line.

So, for someone who works 60hrs a week can barely complete 1 chapter in their spare time. Don’t you think completing 5 is out of the question?

How about providing an alternative to the campaign quest that takes less time and less gating but requires more attention. Award those who complete the campaign instead.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

The argument was to reward on a curve according to talent level

What’s the metric used to judge “talent/skill” ?

And doing that would make it so people can cheat it.

[Simplyred-hydraxis]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

Unless you work for a living and miss a week bc your out of town.

Please. We all (most of us anyway) work. It’s not something special.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

How about providing an alternative to the campaign quest that takes less time and less gating but requires more attention

Can’t spare 30 minutes a day? I work 60-80 hours a week and still able to get a few hours a week in and keep up with everyone else

Edit: your statement contradicts itself. Less time but more attention. So less time but more time? Yeah okay that makes sense

[Pisaro-malfurion]

The campaign doesn’t take that long. You might be playing the wrong game if you can’t slowly grind that thing up. That’s just how MMO’s work. You’d never get through the MSQ in FF14 lol.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

What I see is replacing static requirements with fluid ones.

Instead of completing 5 chapters in a long 5 week grind, instead, allow for an instanced grind that is much more intense and harder work but is achievable in less time. This can be put on a curve according to ilvl and other different expectations.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Outside of instanced material. Go over that.

[Thallia-sentinels (Thallia)]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

So, for someone who works 60hrs a week can barely complete 1 chapter in their spare time. Don’t you think completing 5 is out of the question?

… I’m sorry, how is 5 chapters that are roughly 15 minutes long somehow “out of the question”???

Are you serious right now? I worked 70 hours a week as a 911 dispatcher during the beginning of this expansion and had zero issues running through the chapters.

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

How about providing an alternative to the campaign quest that takes less time and less gating but requires more attention.

This doesn’t make any sense. Whatsoever.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

No.

Less time but more intense playstyle.

[Sifu-bleeding-hollow (Sifu)]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

There has been quite a few changes to the game in recent days and while I have been noticing it for some time, it’s abundantly clear today.

Blizz’s philosophy for wow has changed and I can’t say it’s for the better. To oversimplify, it’s really an attack on the casual community.

Now, before all “those” players come attack this post, listen. I am not trying to persuade blizz away from your chosen way of playing, I am merely attempting to gain identification and validity by blizz and the community council. The goal is to preserve our, as in casuals, way of playing.

1. Identification. Blizz and cc need to identify that there are two unique communities in wow: the top 5% and the bottom 95% (percentages subject to vary.) What works for one dies not work for the other. Prime example: MT.
2. Validation: blizz and the cc needs to validate each community by pushing for different ways of promoting each community. An excellent template for this is the proving grounds from MOP.
3. Implementation: providing both communities with a reasonable difficulty level of content that can be completed in a reasonable amount of time would create a healthy environment for all players in the game. What is not healthy is a months long grind for an .001% increase in player power. Another unhealthy method is hours of work, 100k’s of gold spent only to come out of it with nothing. By providing both communities with opportunities to rewards according to their talent instead of by how long they can grind and preventing progress through gating would be much more pleasant.

Conclusion: preventing players from experiencing content, limiting their power, and prolonging their progression through grinds, gating, and the removal of progression methods widely used by the 95% community for the sake of propping up the 5% community just alienates a large portion of the playerbase.

We come to play the game bc it is a game. We don’t log into the game to go back to work for our “second job.” Now I know blizz gets much more visibility through streamers, etc, but its been the casual community who has diligently been paying their subs for the last 17years. However, we are only getting older, and our availability to play the game continues to diminish. There isn’t enough next-gen players to keep wow afloat. It is just something to keep a eye on.

Promote both communities, don’t alienate one for the other.

All of that just to say you want to keep paying to get carried through content?

[Grizzle-eredar]

You can’t handle 15 minutes a day…I don’t think “more intense” is what you’re looking for

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Look outside the box. Remove yourself from your own perspective and view it from a community standpoint.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Nope.

I’ve never paid to boost. I have always carried my own in guild runs. What I am saying is that the game is turning towards a more elitist model.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

15 mins for you perhaps is 3 hours to someone else who is juggling dinner, kids, and other things.

[Grizzle-eredar]

Blatantly false. The game has gotten more and more “casual” friendly as expansions go on.

There is considerably less “daily chores” required in SL as compared to BfA in order to keep up with everyone else

[Thallia-sentinels (Thallia)]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

Remove yourself from your own perspective and view it from a community standpoint.

As both a progression raider and then a casual in this community since Vanilla with a very wide perspective… your complaint on five chapters is utterly ridiculous.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

15 mins for you perhaps is 3 hours to someone else who is juggling dinner, kids, and other things.

Gf, 2 kids, 3 dogs, and a job

15 minutes is 15 minutes

[Sifu-bleeding-hollow (Sifu)]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

Nope.

I’ve never paid to boost. I have always carried my own in guild runs. What I am saying is that the game is turning towards a more elitist model.

Is it elitist to expect players to earn rewards? That’s kinda cringe, bro.

[Indaria-wyrmrest-accord]

@Ingvaeonic-dalaran

Last time I checked almost everything is locked behind the campaign quest line.

So, for someone who works 60hrs a week can barely complete 1 chapter in their spare time. Don’t you think completing 5 is out of the question?

I took a break right after Shadowlands came out. When I came back, I started a new Druid on a new Server and leveled 1 to 60, chose a covenant, did all of the Covenant Campaign Quests, Chains of Dominion Campaign within a couple of months. All while working a full time job, competing in Equestrian Drill, and still having a social life. I don’t play every day and I don’t play for hours on end unless I happen to have a “knocking around” day. I did of course have more holidays December and January so that helped.

Now since it was all released already, nothing was gated. However, due to my time constraints I didn’t BANG it all out at once.

I don’t forsee ANY problem doing the stuff when it first comes out “gated”. It will give me a nice pace and goals. Goals are VERY important in keeping you happy and interested in a game. Accomplishing goals and achievements are a big part of the Fun and Reward factor.

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Chores = casual friendly is a misdemeanor.

Chores take less time grinding out chorghast, or running the campaign quest line, or trying to clear m+ for ksm.