That excuse, along with the ‘it’s too confusing for pvp’, is total balls. Every warlock I’ve ever seen, including myself, used observer over the felhound. It’s just blizzard being blizzard and doing their ‘you think you want it, but you really don’t’ bs. They simply want you to use their ugly doggos and won’t be happy unless you do.
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100% of the warlocks i’ve played used the felhound so your claim is moot.
You don’t need your pets singular ability to aoe farm.
Blizzard/orb/cone are more than enough.
Heck, we even have arcane explosion now so you don’t even have to stand still and cast.
The pet ability is such a waste of a global for minimal gain.
I hate the felhunter model is why I even bothered getting the observer glyph. Now they’re forcing more of those ugly tentacle dogs on me. Yeah no I’ll risk being kicked from groups for not using my felhunter if need be but yeah no I’m never summoning that tentacle hound. I’ll use every other demon except them if need be but the fact they removed the observer as they think people won’t know what the thing does is beyond stupid. It’s been a reskin for felhunter for years for crying out loud.
Back on the topic of the thread…if anyone can confirm for me that I can still glyph the water elemental the cooldown summons to be that nice blue color still I’d appreciate it as I’m not too thrilled of leaving my frost mage in purgatory but if I can’t then yeah no my frost mage ain’t leaving Shadowlands
“snipers” Yikes.
I mean, rangers with bows and pets have been a DnD trope forever. Regardless of how you feel about it, people should be able to choose. Forcing people into one playstyle is dumb.
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The playstyle forcing is accountable for 90% of problems in WoW today if we’re being fully honest.
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I honestly always had my water elemental with me, I mourn this steady companionship and the tactical strategies we employeed together
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Seeing the amount of people cheering on the removal of stuff I Can see why the game is in the state it’s in.
True they should remove everything but 1/2 damage ability for every class, nothing else is needed. One single target, one aoe.
Not all of us are min/maxers, if you like being a solo Frost Mage just for the DPS boost, then you can do that on your Frost Mage.
Frost Mage since Vanilla, KEEP THE WATER ELEMENTAL. Its what we want.
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You shouldn’t use “we” in this context lol.
WE don’t want it xD
Completely unnecessary. Pet ability and damage is 100% fluff. Frost has pretty minimal rotation and abilities. Most of a frost mages ‘fluff’ would be utility, not damage abilities.
Since when has the game been players choice?
I was a surv hunter main until legion when it was forced to go melee.
And separating class identity is fine. Mm has no reason to use a pet. It offers nothing other than allowing them to have a ‘tank’.
Same thing applies to frost mage.
I could agree with all the pro frost mage pet arguments IF an argument was made other than BUT IVE HAD IT SINCE VANILLA!.
The argument needs to make it actually fit into the spec other than just a thing floating around offering little to no actual flavor to the class.
It auto attacks and has a on use nova. Cool. It has no real spec synergy. In fact the spec is stronger without as you don’t have to worry about a pet (pet classes tend to be damage loses with los/weird pathing and such unless you make attack macros).
And as MM has lone wolf, frost has lonely winter.
So not only does it remove the headache of dealing with pet mechanics, you get a damage buff for removing the fluff from the spec.
So back to the the original argument about allowing choice. I agree, but within reason. Blizz needs to buff the pet and integrate it into both mm AND frost for me to agree. If they had a tree where it was pet orientated, sure, but as is… there is no reason other than ‘BUT I WANT IT!’
Hi HUNTER, I guess you have a Mage alt? So, I SHOULD use “we” in this context, because WE are Frost Mage mains, not Mage alts that are sometimes Frost. Secondly, you fall into the category of your Mage being the >50% of Frost Mages that prefer to be solo, and that is fine, it is your character and your choice.
Second point, you seem to pretend to have a Frost Mage since vanilla but not see the point. I will summarize what else you’ve described and state the fact YOU ARE A MIN/MAXER. You do not care about flavor, about class fantasy, about the FEEL of a class/spec. You have made it clear you only care about end result/dps/etc. If that is your play-style than so be it, go for it as it is your characters to do so. But do NOT assign your elitist min/max style to us all, if we want a Water Elemental, be it for Soloing/Survival or even if just for RP purposes than LET US HAVE IT. You are not the only Frost Mage, stop acting like it.
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Bring back my water elemental please Blizzard
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Not much of a point when you assume wrong.
Why does it matter if it’s a main or not?
I play everything pretty equally. ALL classes. Not just hunter and mage.
I also have about 5 frost mages across different servers, 2 on my main server.
And?
I also play pet classes, which is mostly what my opinion is based on.
How do you know? This is a HUGE assumption with nothing to back it up.
My name literally has quiver in it as a hunter. My mog, I use a quiver. That alone should tell you something, but you chose to stand on your hill and look down and make baseless assumptions because my opinion differs from yours xD
Wrong.
I said that was PART of it, however, as a long time pet user. Pet mechanics are terrible.
“It auto attacks and has a on use nova. Cool. It has no real spec synergy. In fact the spec is stronger without as you don’t have to worry about a pet (pet classes tend to be damage loses with los/weird pathing and such unless you make attack macros).”
^ should probably read the full post before replying.
It’s not elitism. It’s literally the pet doesn’t offer anything to the spec. It’s literally fluff. It’s like walking around with a cosmetic thing.
I even stated in my post that if it had any kind of actual synergy with the spec, I’d be good with it.
“So back to the the original argument about allowing choice. I agree, but within reason. Blizz needs to buff the pet and integrate it into both mm AND frost for me to agree. If they had a tree where it was pet orientated, sure, but as is… there is no reason”
Clearly reading isn’t your strong point.
Oof big head much? Speak for yourself. So far, all you have done is ramble and call me an elitist and make silly assumptions all the while being 100% wrong.
Come back and try again xD
That alone is reason enough. It enables a MM Hunter to solo things it otherwise wouldn’t be able to.
And hunter as a class still gets the BM spec for even more effective soloing capabilities.
I think you’re underestimating just how much time is saved by having an instant ranged freeze, not to mention the rest of my post about the pet’s usefulness, especially in PvP.
Either way, just like MM, having the pet as an option is much better than having it on a fire-and-forget CD, because I bet almost every mage won’t be be managing the pet when it’s tied to Icy Veins, it will just be there.
And I agree with you that the permanent pet should have more than the pitiful 3 skills it has.
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Water elemental has never been core. Previously it was on a cool down like it is now and hasn’t been taken in multiple expansions.
Mages are not a pet class.
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Water Elemental is going back to being what it originally was, a non permanent pet with a cooldown, but now as part of your Icy Veins. It is not being removed. You will still be able to summon a water elemental in some capacity.
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A very small minority have complained.
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If you played Frost Mage, outside of RP reasons you didn’t complain. Lonely Winter has been vastly superior for DPS since it was introduced.
The removal and pinning it to Icy Veins gives it more use than it’s had in ages.
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Water elementals were a temporary summon in classic (just like they are now, attached to icy veins).
They became permanent companions in cataclysm.
They haven’t been relevant since… MoP?
Regardless, the point is water elemental being a temporary summon is not a new aspect of the class.
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It does actually, because every warlock in classic was running the DS/Ruin talent build and saccing a Succubus for a 15% shadow damage buff. No locks had pets out for the entirety of Classic. And in TBC, both Destro specs was doing the same. So two expansions with no pets on the pet class.
This was far more OP than MoP where half the playerbase was using GrimSup because of the pet looks over the “super OP damage” from GrimSac.