The warglaive weapon type and the problems with it

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This is a thread about unlocking warglaives to other melee classes, I think I have some solid points here.

Demon Hunters were introduced as a Hero Class in legion, and with them, the Warglaive weapon type to improve the class fantasy of Demon Hunters of course, since prior to that, the only warglaives in the game that players could have were the Warglaives of Azzinoth. Demon Hunters can also use every other one handed weapon except for daggers, so, swords, maces, axes and fist weapons.

So here is a few problems with Warglaives being limited to only Demon Hunters.

1 - They’re glorified fist weapons - This is plain simple, there was no need for a new weapon type, every warglaive design in the game could fit the design of a fist weapon.

2 - Since they’re glorified fist weapons, they actually are using designs that previously were for fist weapons. Prior to Legion, there is 2 tonfa weapons in the game, both are fist weapons. In legion, the Vengeance demon hunter artifact weapon, is a tonfa, and we the datamining of shadowlands, there is a new Tonfa model being added, also to the Warglaive category instead of the Fist Weapon one, which means that if Monks that liked to use tonfas (because it is a classic weapon of martial artists from Okinawa).

3 - The current designs don’t fit demon hunters - This one is pretty simple, Warglaives were created to improve the demon hunter class fantasy, which is a pretty limited fantasy, but recent Warglaive designs don’t fit demon hunters visually most of the times. In fact, some designs, were fit for every other class except demon hunter, in this example i bring the Sentinel Moonglaive, from the Darkshore warfront, a weapon used for the traditional Military of the Night Elves, something that Demon Hunters, seen as outcasts and outside of night elf culture, would never use such an iconic weapon type. The Npcs that use it in the warfront aren’t demon hunters.

4 - There have been other classes using warglaives before - This is before the introduction of demon hunters as a class of course, but in MoP you can see some Kaldorei soldiers using simplified versions of warglaives, being just a stick with a blade on each side, is also the same type of glaive demon hunter npcs used on other places.

5 - Other classes can use a demon hunter warglaive through the Warglaives of Azzinoth, which means it is useless to limit warglaive weapon types to demon hunters to keep the demon hunter class fantasy locked to demon hunters.

There is no need to implement new animations, there is no need to rebalance anything, it wouldn’t be something hard to implement, Warglaives should be able to be used by Outlaw Rogues, Warriors, Death Knights and Monks and every class that can equip swords, maces, axes and fist weapons.

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I have never really liked the warglaives, almost entirely because they look stupid on our backs :slight_smile: The combat animations are pretty good but damn they look dumb sticking out 3 feet above our heads when sheathed.

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Warriors should definitely be able to use them since they are supposed to be masters of all weapon types.

rogues should be able to use them because they are 1H weapons.

Monks should be able to use them because monks don’t actually “use” weapons and thus there is no reason they can’t equip them as stat sticks.

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get your paws off my glaives

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Going by that logic, every weapon with a sharp edge and a handle is now officially a sword.

Same can be said about literally every set in BFA.

Because warglaives hadn’t been made a weapon yet.

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I agree with this. The only other weapons warriors can’t equip are wands, and I believe the lore behind that is because wands are magical and not normal weapons. But warglaives are definitely melee weapons, and there’s already precedent for warriors (and rogues) using Illidan’s weapons.

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This should apply to Hunters as well, who too can’t equip wands.

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My logic is that there are a lot of overlapping elements between the two, even as far as going to one specific design that used to be for fist weapons coming to warglaives, when thematically still fits fist weapons better.

That is kinda true, but as one weapon type is available to multiple classes so players can choose what fit them best, they have now warglaive designs that don’t match demon hunters as well as they would match other classes well enough or even better.

It doesn’t make sense to limit a weapon type to a class when said class can use other weapon types.

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Aside from the Darkshore warfront NE ‘glaive’’ design – what other warglaive designs in BFA don’t fit the DH fantasy? You make it seem like there are tons, when in fact the only one I’ve seen is the one from the warfront.

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The circular motion of warglaives in use is a wonderful visual asthetic. But when sheathed, they make DHs look like ungainly stag beetles.

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Ok, good point, besides the NE glaive, i think the vengeance demon hunter artifact, that is a tonfa, would fit well a monk, but this is an artifact appearance so it should remain limited.

There is a weird glaive that is just an inverted sword, I believe is the arathi warfront one.

And there is a new tonfa model in the datamined glaives in shadowlands.

Is not much, yet, but other classes already could benefit from having warglaives in their mog options.

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The Vengeance Hidden (not MT but the one from the daily fight in order hall) doesn’t even remotely look like a warglaive which is honestly why I mog to it. It is 100% closer to a fist weapon.

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TL;DR: “I want my legendary Warglaives and don’t care about how it never made sense and still doesn’t make sense!”

shakes head, mutes discussion

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Yeah. The default Vengeance artifact weapon is a fist weapon through and through as well. But i was looking here some artifact appearances and some are legit just gauntlets.

Tonfa designs becoming warglaives is one of the biggest reasons to me why it doesn’t make sense to keep the weapon type locked to demon hunters.

Aren’t the original legendary warglaives available to every melee class though? I couldn’t care less for them, but currently there are a few warglaive designs that fit best a monk or a warrior.

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I just wanted to say, you may wanna get your information straight… We can’t use one handed maces. :slight_smile:

Such as? Outside of the ONE example you listed, which I’ll admit is a fair one.

Nitpicking. The best example, isn’t even the one you used. It’s the Archon Glaive from TotC in WotLK, but it was basically a Polearm, just like the one from Temple of Sethraliss.

Honestly, this holds no weight whatsoever. NPC’s are not representative of player classes. Which is why most lore NPC’s are a combination of things(like Lor’themar being a mix of Hunter, Warrior and Mage).

Absolutely not. It’s not rogue fantasy to use warglaives. Or monks. Or lol DK’s. Or Warriors. Just because those classes can equip the Warglaives from Black Temple(which was done because Demon Hunters, which were one of the planned original classes for Classic, never made it into the game), doesn’t mean they should get access to every warglaive in the game by default.

No it’s not. It’s literally a half bladed glaive. It shares similarities with two fist weapons in the entire game, but those are outliers. Fist weapons are just that, a weapon for your fist. The Vengeance artifact, is in no way, shape or form, a fist weapon.

Look, all that said. I do agree with the Sentinel Moonglaive. That one should 100% have a lookalike as a Sword given how central it is with Night Elves. But everything else, no thanks.

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warrior fantasy

For as long as war has raged, heroes from every race have aimed to master the art of battle. Warriors combine strength, leadership, and a vast knowledge of arms and armor to wreak havoc in glorious combat. Some protect from the front lines with shields, locking down enemies while allies support the warrior from behind with spell and bow. Others forgo the shield and unleash their rage at the closest threat with a variety of deadly weapons.

rogue fantasy

By skillfully wielding dual-wielded weapons, rogues can deliver catastrophic damage to their targets.

as for monks, their fantasy is to punch things, going by your logic, monks should only be able to equip Fist Weapons, and Demon Hunters should only be able to use Warglaives and nothing else.

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Being a master of arms doesn’t automatically mean master of EVERY type of arms. Warriors can already use literally everything barring glaives, so I’d say they fit that fantasy of being a master of arms quite well.

And you also know that rogues have always been known for daggers and swords, mostly daggers, with poisons on their weapons. Though at periods maces and fist weapons(most notably BC).

Going by your logic though, Demon Hunters being master killing machines, we should know how to use every single weapon. /shrug

Like I said, the Sentinel Moonglaive is thematic to Night Elves, so that one should be a sword. But past that, no.

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They never should have added glaives and they never should have added demon hunters

Who ever said let’s add a level 98 hero class that has two specs is another leather wearing melee class after our last addition was a leather wearing melee class
In fact let just make them monks but easier to play

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have you seen half the sword models? that’s basically what swords are in wow.

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So you described a sword.

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