We’re rolling out some changes to Mythic+ with the release of The War Within Season 2 and wanted to share a few more insights on what you can expect to see when those changes arrive on the Undermine(d) Public Test Realms (PTR).
Good changes
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Good change, that should caused some less stress doing keys without worrying about Challenger’s Peril until you hit 12s.
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Thank you, these are good changes to the system that will make M+ easier to get into and more rewarding.
Please consider preventing depletion at lower key levels, however. The vast majority of players never attempt a +12, so this change only helps a small percentage of people. It would be nice to have keys not deplete below each affix breakpoint, so for example a key would not deplete below a +4 (Xal’atath’s Bargain active), a +7 (Fort/Tyr), or a +10 (Tyr/Fort).
Adding in these depletion breakpoints would help a huge number of people.
It was a great idea to decouple this from the KSL achievement, as well. Looking forward to what else is in store. Thanks!
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I love how everyone in DF Season 4 and WW Season 1 have been like “No the M+ numbers aren’t floundering compared to past seasons everything is fine the drop off isn’t concerning!”
And here we have 90% of the changes made in Season 4 and Season 1 being reverted because the drop off was, in fact, very concerning and indicated that M+ was starting to fail all around.
So maybe when a supermajority of people quit running something you shouldn’t stick your heads in the sand and pretend it’s fine. You should give feedback so positive changes like this can happen.
Let’s also now have a conversation about valorstones.
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Still not doing them
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Can we expect sweeping difficulty nerfs to raiding as well then, to match these sweeping nerfs to M+ instead of simply tuning delves upwards?
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very rare blizzard w
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Well, I was going to shoot for that 2850 and the new mount, but at this point I guess that’s off the table.
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Ive always wondered why bountiful delves guarantee loot.
No other endgame has a guarantee to receive loot drops for participants. May be part of the problem.
Rest of this reads like going back to the old way except fort/tyran being moved up.
Overall eh. I healed/geared this season up to ksm and it wasnt that bad. Except ara kara last boss. Thing was aids.
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There is not enough “told you so” in the universe. 
Guess the devs agree it was toxic design, too difficult, too punishing, and drove players away.
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I still don’t understand why the depletion floor mechanic isn’t being applied just across the board and not just 12+, just seems like one of those changes that has nothing but positives to it
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Yeah apparently they decided that tuning things around content with 0 fail states was the play. I can’t believe they fumbled the ball that hard but here we are for reasons beyond inexplicable.
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Doesn’t matter. You were wrong about everything.
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Do like these changes - no criticism on my end regarding Mythic+.
My question really boils down to is Mythic+ still the only way to realistically progress? In the first half of this season especially, you basically hit ilvl 619 and then were told to do high Mythic+s, Mythic Raid or unsubscribe. While I appreciate lowering the barrier to entry to Mythic+, two questions:
- Is Mythic Raid still going to be some pie-in-the-sky thing solely for the Race to World First (and the sub 1% able to clear it over the course of a season)
- Do Delves have a part to play in Mythic track progression next season, or are they still the same as this season?
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Great changes overall for the non-mythic playerbase.
I’d really like to see the vault requirements knocked down to 1/3/6 too though.
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Jeez may as well give everyone full myth track vaults now
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Easy gilded grind hype!
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Is any of this actually going to solve the Delve introduction issue?
The depletion floor being based on the lowest of all 8 doesn’t doesn’t solve the main problem. If I have all 11’s and only need 12’s, I’m still stuck re-leveling useless 11’s. -_-
Just bump it down so if I have all 11’s then my key can’t drop below a 12, depletion is the main reason I stop playing.
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