The War Within is starting to remind me of Shadowlands. And that scares me

So should complaining about a char level and number of posts

You… Are scared of the usual trope of a trailer showing thing that are going to happen in the upcoming content?

Do you get foreboding from putting your shoes on because they will be warm?

Well how do you know what the players want? Of the millions of people playing the game we only hear from a few thousand in the forums.

Oh, the forums aren’t a good gauge of public reaction either. But this game’s community in aggregate – the forums, community discord servers, social media like Reddit and Twitter, feedback from testers, etc. – ought to give Blizzard some indication of what people think about the game.

I don’t think that feedback on Conduit Energy for example was very ambiguous.

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It is about a user with low level, low post count starting fear mongering threads. We don’t need that.

As long as Arthas comes back…

You are assuming that this forum and the social media platforms like Reddit, Twitter, etc represent a significant portion of the WoW players and that they are all talking about Conduit Energy. If so there would be millions of notes on that topic on those platforms.

I’m skeptical that such a large number of players are entering notes, all calling for the same thing about any WoW topic.

You don’t need to analyze the whole population to infer data about it.

That’s how statistics works, and with good enough sampling, assuming gaussian distribution, like everyone does when it’s unknown, 389 individuals are enough for anything.

I think the mentioned sources are great to gather enough negative feedback, since people don’t really tend to post on what they like unless they really love “thing”.

If the amount of negative feedback is over a certain threshold, they should act on it.

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I don’t know what the players want but I think it’s easy to deduce from Blizzard’s own admittances that Shadowlands was, in fact, not what players wanted.

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givign me BFA vibes which is even worse.

That is true if and only if you have a representative sample. What we are talking about here are internet forums. Have you ever noticed that Gallup and Harris never use internet forums to collect data? Ever wonder why?

Well it’s simple, internet forums are notoriously biased in favor of people who have something to complain about. So they are NOT an unbiased sample.

Also you are making another wrong assumption in assuming that every population is normally distributed on any given topic. Haven’t you ever seen probability curves that are skewed to the left or the right?

SL for me was the worst memory ever for wow. I know it took place in the underworld but they really didn’t have to make you feel like you were being literally tortured the entire expansion.

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Having played the beta for TWW, it is definitely worse or on-par with Shadowlands in terms of the writing, so far. My jaw dropped a few times because I couldn’t believe how incredibly stupid some moments were. I knew this game gets pretty dumb, especially after Legion, but dear lord, people are NOT going to like this once it gets released, is all I will say. And no abundance of bad cinematics (if DF is anything to go off of) will change the garbage writing lol…
I thought we were done being childish with the “new direction” WoW is going in, but well… thanks TWW… I have no doubts whatsoever that Midnight and TLT will be just as bad, if not worse.

One can say “wait for patches”, but I don’t know, I did that for DF and the writing only got worse and worse the more patches were added…

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Like I said, on the rest of the post, it’s great for gathering negative feedback.

Yes, negative feed back which may or may not represent a significant number of actual players.

If a thousand people are giving negative feedback on an internet forum, this is no proof that the millions of players agree. Those players do not speak for “the community” as they often claim they do.

That’s easier for Blizzard to infer with the remaining data on the posters and other players, like time played, characters used, play style, number of posts etc.

At least for posts here, and they can then filter the noise from other sources by simple comparison.

Yes, that’s exactly right. They can look at that other information by tracking numbers from their servers then they can look at the ranting on the forums, for their own entertainment, to see if it matches.

You can watch the GDC talks on Youtube where they talked about SL not resonating with the bulk of the player base.

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Yes I’ve seen them and in one of those GDC talks they said they could not be sure how much of an impact losing the Chinese players had on subscriptions.

Also, think of what the word “bulk” means to Blizzard. Video games run on a small margin so if you lose 20% to 30% of your players, that can be a problem. But to say that means “the players” didn’t like Shadowlands is not really right because it doesn’t account for the majority, 70% to 80% of the players. We have no idea how they break down.

Now there is no doubt that the people who detest the idea of not being able to be top level top gear on day one of the expansion hated Shadowlands. They hate anything that keeps them from the only thing they want to do which is high level dungeons and raids.

But that’s one very loud group that is only a subset of the players. I have yet to see any evidence that a majority of players didn’t like Shadowlands in spite of the fact that the anti SL bunch claims they speak for all of “the players”.

Honestly if SL’s story had been at the least competent I’d have probably stuck around through the rest of it. Got to korthia and just gave up entirely on the game, so much so I entirely uninstalled the game and only resubbed for wrath classic which was unfortunate in it’s own ways lol