There was at the first 8 weeks or so, right? the same 750 a week?
278 = M+15 Vault loot ilevel
That’s WoWHead
But I cant confirm Vault loots at 275/278 of completing 14s/15s since I am not there YET.
Upgrade =/= great vault loot
And I was discussing Valor and MYTHIC+. Not just Valor.
And BTW, the main reason why many players do M+ is becoz of the VAULT… not really the End-of-Dungeon Loot and Valor although Valor is a plus… very helpful.
Consider this from a developer standpoint. They want you to stay subscribed and playing because it means more $$ for them. How does it help them financially if you neckbeard your way to near-max ilvl after 2 weeks into a new expansion?
Most MMOs have timegating of some sort. And if not, they have infinitely grindable progression paths in order to keep users logging in.
Topic is about valor cap and upgrading items with valor. So not sure what your point is to be frank.
Becoz M+ players are more concerned with the Vault than with the Valor. I understand, you want to value Valors but sorry, they are limited.
You cannot upgrade to max ilvl with the valor system. 272 is the cap. 278 needs to be acquired from Mythic raid or your great vault loot.
I typed my first post out quickly so I stand corrected on that. But yes, I know the cap is 272. But the rest of my post still stands. The whole reason they have a cap is so you can’t get near BiS in week 1 or 2.
The word “Valor Cap” means the amount of valor you could get as there is a Cap per week. It started with 750 Valors per week for five weeks. The Season Maximum right now is 4500 and I am currently 4500/4500. That’s the VALOR CAP. Meaning, even if I keep on doing M+ right now, I wont get more Valors becoz I have reached the cap already. Next Mythic Week which starts tomorrow, I would start getting more Valors.
Max ilevel of M+ is Upgrade Level 12/12 ilevel 272. I dont know how 275 and 278 looks from Vault. I would know it very soon. I presume the loots are not from M+ dungeons. If it’s from Raid, I would be very happy.
I have issue with Valor Cap but my definition is different from yours as I want more Valors. I dont care for the max ilevel of the gear to be upgraded… I just want more Valors maybe becoz I am greedy at my low ilevel… increase the cap per week. But I wont whine for it though. ROFL.
To spite people who play multiple specs / spend some on an item and then get another one that was better to upgrade but now you have no valor to do it and just gotta wait another week.
How is that any different from a pvper spamming random battle grounds for honor to upgrade their conquest gear to mythic?
More Mythic Rating to upgrade gear means he has to time higher difficulty keys… a Mythic key player has to do better.
For PvP, the PvP’er has to make more wins… a PvP player has to do better. Is that not the casr with PvP? I dont know. What do I know with PvP? It’s been a while since I do PvP.
PvP is a game of who’s on top of the food chain. And I am Casual. Can Casual become top of the food chain? That’s why I never played PvP since I became Casual. I was on top of the food chain when I had no life back then in Vanilla… and Wrath. Yeah, I love PvP back then. Now, I dont want to be free honor kills from a 24/7 hardcore player. They are merciless. I was guilty merciless too when I was on top of the food chain. 
For reference I"m refering to this:
"Edit: My bow is Upgrade level 11/12 at ilevel 268. To upgrade this with Valor, I would need 2000 M Rating to upgrade it into 12/12 ilevel 272.
BTW, if there’s no Valor cap (and no M Rating requirements), you could spam M+2’s to farm Valor to upgrade it to ilevel 272. You wont need M+15s. Sorry, no freebies. ROFL."
I’m just saying that valor as a currency has more in common with honor in how it works in the sense that honor is uncapped and is used to buy entry level gear and upgrade to a level that you have earned through your efforts. Conquest buys gear but you use honor to upgrade it to your level which can easily mean spamming lower end pvp to acquire honor to gear up for the rated stuff.
In contrast while you could spam 2s to farm valor you hit an upgrade cap that is pretty easy to spend through even on one item. The most expensive individual upgrades are 1000 valor, and there are 12 upgrade tiers. In the most extreme case that could mean 11000 valor for one item, even uncapped that is 55 2s with a new player in every single one. That isn’t a freebie in any world I know of. Even in a world of uncapped valor it makes way more sense to just get a piece that is near the end up the upgrade loop like at 9/12 which means doing it from “relevant” keys.
At present valor is still a young system, and it can and should see some change and improvements to resolve issues like, m+ has a uneven gearing path with pure pvp and pure raiding, no valor refunds when the piece that you spent your entire cap upgrading gets replaced by the vault, and so on.
Why is anything timegated in this game? Its obviously to slow the player down from progression so they pay more in sub fees.
The valor cap is a shot it Blizzard’s own knees.
The “season” cap should be drastically increased at this point in time.
Isn’t it 272? Just need a m+ score of 2000 or better, right?
All I know is M+ is PvE and all your gear from M+ benefit you to Raid… which is PvE too. So maybe M+ has to be cap’d.
And PvP is more of Versa gear which wont benefit you much on PvE such as M+ or Raid. So even if PvP has no Cap, they wont excel on PvE. Versa is somewhat a weaker stats on PvE.
Yeah I typo’d one number. its 272
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I was under the impression m+ was stated to be its own content path, even if it isn’t at that level in practice. Pvp not having its own stat means that the vers gear from it is also potentially bis for vers hungry classes, generally tanks and agi melee, as well. I remember it being a real issue in nathria when gear was scarce.