The Tidemother

Shadefist-thrall · October 18, 2019, 1:20pm

So is this Queen Azshara? If so why was she benevolent to the Kul Tirans for so long?

Vespero-durotan · October 18, 2019, 1:49pm

To trick them into thinking it was safe to sail their fleets out over the ocean.

So she could sink them when the time was right.

Gavik-zuljin · October 18, 2019, 2:11pm

There are plenty of possibilities, all with their own problems. She could just be an abstract personification of the sea rather than an actual being. She could be Neptulon, if you look past the weird gendering. Hell, she could be Elune.

Shieyra-thrall · October 18, 2019, 2:44pm

She could be some other kind of sea entity who got usurped by Azshara. Brother Pike does mention that the Tidemother recently started acting demanding and harsh. I’d bet that Azshara was impersonating the original Tidemother just enough to pass but couldn’t mimic the nurturing side very well so she changed the personality a bit.

Biostats-skeram · October 18, 2019, 2:45pm

It’s not Azshara. She’s defeated and all is still well with the tidesages. Clearly they are getting their power elsewhere

Goof-dalaran · October 18, 2019, 3:15pm

Tidemother is probably just the Kul Tiran name for the nameless and eternal Spirit of Water

Source: i’m a tidesage obv

Elendris-dalaran · October 18, 2019, 3:24pm

If Aszhara was the Tidemother, the main reason she was benevolent to them for so long was likely because they were worshipping her like a god. It was only recently, as her plans were starting to come together, that she became more demanding.

Emmett-gallywix · October 18, 2019, 3:39pm

We might never find out because haha who cares about Kul Tiras lore, go hug the Horde and poke out N’Zoth’s eye kid

Cursewords-tichondrius · October 18, 2019, 3:53pm

Elune is mentioned as having power over the tides. Where ever she is or who ever she is, she does have some sway over them. But whether the Kul Tirans view her as the Tidemother has not been mentioned.

There could be other entities beneath the tides that Azshara and Nzoth are unaware of or unable to manipulate.

Also - it is possible that Azeroth herself is the tidemother, and has some sway over the waters as she lays dormant.

Edgyjojomeme-nathrezim · October 18, 2019, 4:16pm

She’s 10,000 years old. It’s not hard to make humans follow deity

Baalsamael-turalyon · October 18, 2019, 4:16pm

Current personal theory is that:

Original Tidemother = Kraken Wild God, possible candidate is Oacha’noa.

However after the events of Cataclysm, where the Krakens largely sided with Azshara and thus N’zoth, perhaps Azshara extended her influence to corrupt the Kul Tirans. So she spiritually/magically “usurped” this Kraken Wild God.

My hope is that with Azshara relatively out of the picture and N’zoth extremely out of the picture after the raid, hopefully this Kraken Wild God will reveal herself. However Blizzard probably doesn’t care

Tilgath-garona · October 18, 2019, 4:55pm

I really hope we get something about the Tidemother. When the expansion first launched, that was one of the Kul Tiran cultural aspects I was most interested in.

Kaileath-wyrmrest-accord · October 18, 2019, 5:12pm

It seems like it may be Elune. She has been noted to have power over the tides as far back as Cataclysm, and this interesting flavortext on the first rank of the essence ‘The Ever Rising Tide’:

“The whispers of Elune and Neptulon play on the tides, 
their words etched in stone are a tribute to the balance 
of their powers.”

Elune’s nurturing aspect is already called “The Mother” as it is, also. As we saw in the Azshara Warbringer N’zoth can and does mimic other people’s voices, even their own inner monologue voice… so my suspicion is he began pretending to be her to corrupt the tide sages.

HOWEVER, I have also wondered could of Neptulon and Elune of had a child, which is the Tidemother now?

Amadis-draka · October 18, 2019, 5:20pm

We also saw Elune’s influence on the tides in this quest:

Video of the quest at Darkshore, since the Tidal Spirits have quotes they say when you free them from the Twilight’s Hammer:

Drahliana-earthen-ring · October 18, 2019, 5:28pm

None of the above. She’s a water-bender with face paint.

Denona-khazgoroth · October 18, 2019, 8:03pm

My money is that the Tidemother is most likely Elune, and Azshara was impersonating the tidemother to manipulate Lord Stormsong. Like how H.A.D.E.S pretended to be the “buried shadow” in Horizon Zero Dawn to manipulate the shadow Carja.

Plus this does factor in Azshara’s belief that she is above Elune. Azshara did create a cult of personality around herself during her reign. To the point that nearly everyone in the Night elf resistance during the WotA believed she was usurped by Xavius because pretty queen can do no wrong.

Asana-moon-guard · October 18, 2019, 8:15pm

Tidesages are akin to shaman in their powers over wind and water. The original Tidemother was likely the Spirit of Water or something like that. A relatively benevolent force.

But during Stormsong’s quests it was mentioned that at some point the whispers of the sea suddenly changed. They became darker, more violent and aggressive. This would be where Azshara stepped in and impersonated herself as the Tidemother to corrupt the sages.

Yvenathilm-fenris · October 18, 2019, 8:32pm

The God of the Deep N’Zoth is very good at impersonating her despite his main portfolio(judging from there being Orbs of Fire all over his City) being Fire(from the Deep Places of the World no less)!

Galenar-khazgoroth · October 18, 2019, 8:39pm

What if there isn’t a Tidemother? I mean do they really do anything that Shamans couldn’t by simply beseeching the elements of wind and water to bless their vessels?

Biostats-skeram · October 18, 2019, 8:59pm

Night elf shaman confirmed. Thanks yo