Look that had potential…and I loved hanging out with Xal honestly. However, when Alleria threw the ribbon down on the ground and just stomped off in a huff, I broke out laughing.
Do the writers even know what anger actually looks like? Do they have any idea how to write it?
Old WOW was never gonna be William Shakespeare, but it was bombastic and loud and full of emotion.
I already did. I live in the real world. There’s no arguing with people who live on the internet.
Is there a rule that states as much?
Fantasy games have been inherently political. WoW is political even if we remove Faerin.
But I guess those politics are okay?
I’m outside of this conversation. Nor do I see any issue with bringing more female characters into the mix.
However, there has been a clear deficit in proper male characters. The amount of male characters that meaningfully show sacrifice, loyalty or honor is lacking comparative to what we had before. The existing cast is extremely soft and veers off from the majority of characters that had founded the series.
They would do well to bring back characters that are focused less on their internal monologue and more on their duty. Focused on waging aggression and utilizing it as a means to act with duty.
Anduin for example is derelict almost completely from his role as King. He lives only in his trauma - although there are interesting narrative notes to this. It is uninteresting when there are very few grounded characters who are assured of themselves and what their duty is. Bolvar for example exemplified his life around Honor and Sacrifice, fulfilling his duty to his ward and living in an internal hell to save his people. Grom sacrificed his life to liberate his people, even if he had been originally misguided - he needed to remove the weight from his shoulders and redeem his people.
Whether the characters are Male or Female, I feel that a lot of these motifs are missing.
I think that’s what they were going for, we’re supposed to enjoy Xal’atath as a villain because it makes it more enjoyable to battle against her and spend a lot of time on her.
Lots of complaining and backseating is all i’m seeing here.
“IF IT’S LOGICAL IT MUST BE SO” . This isn’t IRL.
You’re blowing volcano smoke.
They can’t do this or write proper male characters because it’s against the real world ideology of the writers which is more important to them than the verisimilitude of the game world.
There were also some comments about how “we are all the Emperor’s subjects”, implying their Emperor expects to rule all of us not just those who consider themselves Arathi. And the leader of the Priory apparently thought her actions would be approved?
Exactly, and storytelling, especially with something like WOW and it world, is at it’s very best when both men and women are strong in the world, and that strength can come in many forms.
The issue with modern writing is that it might be good for some folks, the ‘low steaks’ and ‘cozy comfy’ vibes it gives off really speaks to some people.
However that style is such an ill fit for a lot of media it get applied to, and especially an ill fit for a game called ‘World of Warcraft’.
It must be exhausting being this outraged all the time.
You’re blind.
The proof is found in almost every notable franchise today, WoW’s just another one. War is inherently a more masculine domain, and trying to make it female-centric immediately raises the price of suspension of disbelief, often breaking it.
In other words, the fact that “fantasy” allows suspension of disbelief for magic, or sci-fi tech, isn’t supposed to come at the cost of relatable character dynamics. People suspend their disbelief for magic, but suspension of disbelief isn’t broken by it. Inverting or ignoring gender dynamics at a societal-wide level in the setting however, without some deep plot explanation, does break that suspension of disbelief. (The Night Elves, for instance, had an actual plot explanation, humanity and orcs don’t).
When the gender dynamics of war are ignored, and you’re just as likely to find female soldiers as male soldiers, just as likely to find women leading the charge in melee combat as men, the audience is taken out of the story, and realizes they’re getting a modern left-wing lecture wrapped in a veneer of some franchise that’s probably being degraded.
When Sylvanas and Jaina were created, they were exceptions in a cast that was filled mostly with men as main characters, with RTS armies that, of course, defaulted to “male” for the common soldier, where the “exceptional” female unit would be a sorceress. This makes sense of course. War is masculine. Armies will be mostly composed of men. That is the correct approach for virtually any franchise, not just WoW. “Modern” writers, however, have become infamous for taking established franchises where there was no such justification, and shoe-horning in the new dynamic into settings where it fits poorly.
I do not believe that this narrative was written in good faith and this is exactly the issue. She is made to hate ALL non-humans for no real apparent reason. It is one thing for her to channel that hatred to the horde or to be skeptical of other groups, with an emphasis on rebuilding humanity. However, she essentially irrationally dislikes every other group. That is not how actual ethnic conflicts exist, nor is it typically how racism is manifested. It is a shallow interpretation of what someone ASSUMES this type of person is. It is written solely as a caricature.
Danath in contrast is built with an immediate disclaimer that he ‘denounces stromist supremacy’. He is not shown to be a moderating force, just an opposite force. As a leader, even if he has a change of thought - he would understand that HIS PEOPLE have not. Which means he has to bring them into the middle ground. He is branded as a character that solely supports “Tolerance and Mercy”. This is a characterization that has been produced through second hand media and conveyed only recently.
This is anti-thetical to his character and who he was. He does not need to be a bigot, nor does he need to hate for the sake of hate. He may have warmed up to the horde due to a variety of reasons. Nonetheless, after just having a war, having fought back orcish invasion, been isolated killing orcs for decades and a multitude of other incidents. He should atleast be leary. As well, his focus should be one the future, even if he feels so eager to denounce the past.
It just feels very off to me. I am glad they have gone down this route. But I do not believe it is done with good intention or written with any literary competence.
I very much agree with you and lets just say recent world things that have happened have opened my eyes as to who the real villains are.
I highly recommend putting these individuals on ignore, they’ve proven repeatedly they’re a group of people that don’t care about the content of character and focus solely if something is good or bad based on skin tones and woke checkboxes. They’re going to try to push you to say something that they can mass report. Just take the victory knowing these guys are what they are, a cult banded together through hate and malice.
You heard it here first, Chris Metzen actually hates men
You’re reading way too into things she is just the way she is. Blizzard is known to hit us with events that have no explanation just to explain it later on its part of their story telling method. It’s been this way forever.
Blizzard has multiple writers for a single character and the crux to your dilemma coud lie in the hands of a future writer.
A soft reset of WoW has been hinted at a couple of times. It would take place once the Last Titan is complete.
Maybe Azeroth goes boom? I don’t know… but I’m expecting a “new WoW” in 2030-ish
No thanks.
They just need more variety in their story. Thrall has barely been in the story and was out of it for so long. But people like to act like Cataclysm was yesterday. He never should have been removed from the Warchief position. Or they should have kept Vol’jin alive.
They already killed off a lot of Horde characters and have never done anything with the characters they replaced them with. This is no solution.
I want parallel questing back and just have more variety.
I wouldn’t be opposed to this if done right. 2.0s baby.
I just know if that happened and we had completely new characters only, the amount of screeching from the same people in this thread would be insufferable.
It’s already bad enough whenever we get a single new main character and it’s not a straight man. Or god forbid it is a straight man but it’s Anduin and he is a human with feelings oh no!