am I the only one who think bfa, shadowlands and dragonflight are pretty forgetable and adds NOTHING positive to the wow franchise? the first two are simple the worst plot ever made, which destroy all established warcraft lore. all sylvanas and baldman plan, we lost teldrassil and lordaeron in the process, and then we even lost the lich king.
dragonflight…although it’s fine without doing a mess, it doesn’t add anything good either, helping dragons just for them to disappear and mind their own business like they always did, but we can relevate it like a beach episode or a filler expansion.
how to solve this? just retcon the voljin death to prevent the whole sylvanas meme arc and make the world soul saga after legion canon, they can update the world later in the saga, it just makes sense you know? ‘oh big sword bad, azeroth is suffering, we’re going underground and see whats happening’
its not too late, retcon those 3 exp out of the existence, make it a crazy dream or possible futures from nzoth or whatever…other franchises have already admitted their mistakes and started from scratch, If the developers responsible for the narrative have a bit of decency and self-awareness, they should do this…
…if not, they’re just disrespecting their audience. wow lore is dead.
By you going away. I had a good enough time with them, maybe you are alone.
To delete an expansion is always a non-solution, because it rips away your experience and tells you that it was all a waste of time and all for nothing. That’s far worse than a meh expansion.
Retconning any expansion- let alone three- isn’t constructive towards making the lore “good” in the slightest. It’s just an extraordinarily lazy out, rather than trying to put any effort into telling a good story going forward.
There are wide swathes of the storyline and setting that are still arguably redeemable.
Plus, there are playable races that directly result from the events of BFA and DF, so it’s just not even a remotely feasible idea.
DF I agree, but BFA and SL were necessary. Sylvanas didn’t deserve to remain amongst the “good guys” club of Azeroth. She had to be kicked out. Good riddance!!
bfa and shadowlands created holes that destroyed the whole warcraft universe, reconning those are a fix for a problem, and not making the lore good, one step at time…
you can still introduce the alied races, why not, they have always been there, some of them are post legion, not bfa aliegned. maghar orcs have always been part of the horde, (also going to draenor is just dumb, we have outland maghar) same for the dwarves.
about the last two, kultiras and zandalar have always been there, and you can easily apply it by war within logic, the world is suffering from sargeras blow, we need to gather the citziens of azeroth and seek help, anything would be better than the narrative of the alliance deciding to arrest a princess and a troll prophet because ‘‘why not’’ then create a excuse to genocide them in daza’alor battle
I actually strongly disagree. I think us exploring the world of death is really important if they want to open up all the realms of power as our enemies. If we want to truly elevate the story these set up expansions need to happen.
I mean I can say I dont like mop, wod or df…but they dont ruined the lore with a dumb plot twist like a bald man being the chess master, this goes beyond any possible simple plot hole.
I can understand why some of u players disagree, however for me, what happened in the final plot of sylvanas arc just broke the game narrative. I honestly cant see a way to ‘‘fix’’ it without a tragic move, I mean, how can we move on after that jailer stuff and a genocide of two whole playable races (night elves and worgens) plus zandalari genocide…for…nothing? it was all literally for…nothing…bfa and sl only exist for the sake of sylvanas and the jailer, sacrificing entire narratives just for their lore to happen.
what can be done? it just doenst matter anymore, if por exemple thrall dies, its okays, he will be: a vampire, undead, a tall blue human or a fairy, ‘‘its ok guys’’…its …ridiculous in my opinion, what kind of afterlife is this
that said, I’ve always been very interested in wow and warcraft lore, it’s very sad how something like this can happen, I still like playing the game, but in my opinion as someone who loved the game’s universe, I’m disappointed and I can’t find any logic in continuing to try to understand the succession of events after legion, it just dont make sense to me, I kept trying to digest it and thinking in solutions but I only came on this: only a massive retcon can save it, otherwise I’ll just skip every dialogue and cutscene possible and play for the gameplay
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well I made a long text, but it’s just a rant from someone who liked the game’s story
I still feel like BFA irreparably damaged the premise of the horde as a player, but the game’s really never going to retcon any of it. The closest opportunity the story had was writing off the worst of BFA as an N’zoth fever dream but it didn’t go for that.
I dunno what the PoV is like for alliance fans but for horde, you just gotta somehow suck it up and roll with having been an irredeemable genocide accomplice, or kill off the idea of immersing in the story like you want / used to.
The writers can easily make SL’s worst points moot by just giving Anduin or Sylvanas when she’s back a throwaway line saying that everything beyond the veil cratered or changed offscreen and that they have no idea what the afterlife is like now.
BFA and SL set huge swathes of plot (and rationality itself) on fire and threw the flames into a dumpster but as much as I wish they never happened we cannot retcon them.
DF is mainly harmless aside from turning crafting professions into a repulsive nightmare grind.
Leave it to Erevien to shill for Shadowlands just because it was written by a Sylvanas simp.
I don’t know if you realize it, in your personal bubble separated from reality, but Shadowlands was such a wreck that they literally brought it up as a failure to the share-holders meeting as a mistake not to repeat.
But whatever.
“Hurr durr shadowlands was written by sylvanas simp so me love shadowlands unga bunga slay queen yasssss hurr durr”
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Yeah you’re forgiven. You’re probably some middle-aged guy with 3 kids and 4 jobs who only has 1 hour to play. Can’t be expected to know everything that happens around the internet outside your rock. Know that you are forgiven. Now go take the 3 kids to school.
