What are you talking about - how do you know whether the keys i’ve timed are my own or not? And why are you so obsessed with what keys i’ve run and with who? That’s not the point of this thread as many others have pointed out to you. Go look at the leaderboards on raider . io and tell me what you see
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Well you said you had to run your own keys to advance so I just made the assumption they where yours. I found it unlikely you found a meta group to time those keys and advance and then came on the boards complaining that you could not get into a meta group to time keys and advance, but I could be wrong.
And i think you are the type of person who likes to argue for the sake of arguing to feel some sense of relevance even when you don’t know what you are talking about or can’t contribute anything of value to the conversation, but i could be wrong. You did think people were timing keys with 3 priests in one group though so…
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Who am I arguing with? What am I arguing about? What is my argument? Nice zero sense response I dont think you know what an argument is. As far as the 3 priest goes I will tell you the same thing I said to the other person who made the same comment that you copied, go back and read. I will wait 2-3 days for your brain to calculate a response please try to make it at least make sense.
Also, stop crying about the meta because you cant piggy back other peoples keystones anymore and go make your own non-meta groups like a big boy.
I gotta laugh. You and the brain dead latias both get so triggered you edit your posts 2-7 times. You came in here throwing around ghastly accusations that myself and the OP were abusing goofy comps which had zero truth to it. Nobody piggybacks to 3300 IO so maybe you should crawl back under the rock from which you came and go on hush mode. 
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Why you mention Latias in every post you make? Also use what little brain you have and you will understand the context in which i used the term “piggyback”, it was in reference to having someone else form the group for him. Once again your biggest issue seems to be comprehension followed closely by your debilitating loneliness and obsession with Latias…
Triggered once again. Edit your post three or four more times for good measure.
From only 16s or is it 16s and above?
I dont think the meta is that set in stone. Aug is pretty much required, yes, but you can do fairly high keys with different classes as well. Aug + any other two dps works for 99.99% of keys. I saw a comp of two sub rogues and an aug where both rogues were doing 300k overall dmg. I have personally run comps in 25+ keys with very different specs as well . Granted I am playing a mage atm, but the 3rd dps can be anyone and if I wasn’t playing a mage I feel I would be fine playing any other dps.
Mages aren’t that much ahead of everyone else anymore. Rogues/Shamans/Warriors/Shadow Priests pretty much can do the same amount of overall damage as them.
One of the biggest strengths of Aug Evoker is their Chrono Ward group absorb. It mitigates so much damage. Also, Bear tanks have crazy group healing which is why they’re strong. If the nerf the bear group healing than they’ll become less fotm.
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16/17 give 441 in the vault 1/3 mythic
18/19 give 444 in the vault 2/3 mythic
20+ give 447 in the vault 3/3 mythic
This is especially good when you become GCD locked for the bear can cover spot healing pretty well. On average I seen at least 50k hps.
That is kind of my point though, you can be successful with an array of different comps in 25+ keys. But when the meta meta [like 28+] is THAT set in stone as it was last week, the general community believes [rightly so] that it will be easier to time keys of ALL levels with that comp. Someone earlier in the thread said it great, why would people take the hard route if there is an easier option available, especially when the gap between easy and hard is so apparent with 1 comp vs all others. Both hpallies and mages were nerfed this week and they are STILL the preferred classes that most people will seek out for their pugs in addition to augvoker, spriest, and bear tank. Advantages to certain comps are fine, but there should be more than 1 viable comp for pushing the highest content and the gap should not be as large as it is. It is also just a weird decision to introduce changes that change the meta this much mid-season. It’s more understandable at the beginning of a season before people invest a ton of time into a certain class/spec and are free to change. This far into a season [at least halfway through], it’s awkward for some classes that were viable all season to suddenly be pushed out
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Yeah, no. I wish.
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The m+ meta has never been more rigid than it is today. Aug really ruined this season if you don’t play one of those five specs.
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If you don’t think sub rogues do comparable aoe damage in keys right now then that’s a you problem.
I seen them do as high as 650k burst aoe without aug. Definitely top tier at least from what I seen.
I see a great amount of keys with shammy’s, hunters, rogues, even locks, in the 22-27 range. If our not meta you got to form your own group. Part of that is also having good ilvl. Seems like 445 is normal these days.
But if you raise your IO in a correct way, then it’s fine. 25s need about 3150 io. 24s need 3k io for ez invites. 23s need 2900. 21s people tend to be more flexible. I got into a 21 with 2100 io on an alt who was only 439 ilvl.
Well, I’m not sub so no it isn’t a me problem.
I’ve seen a lot of Aug Evokers who were 2600 IO, but I open their raid IO page, and have they have all timed +26 and +25s on Fort week, and 2-3 timed +24/25s on Tyrannical week. Literally they just geared up and jumped straight into high keys. Pretty much straight to 3200 IO in less than 25 timed keys.
Seen Bear Tanks like this as well.
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