And who tells them that it’s unlocked at x levels? They usually are still keyboard turning and never interrupt (aka likely don’t open spellbook).
It just goes with what I said earlier, they are listening to someone complaining about the game and then they grow jaded themselves from the one who got them into the game.
Your the one coming here with silly posts op. There’s so much whining here about keeping old content relevant which pathfinder helps keep it relevant and then everyone cry’s remove it. Leveling is so fast it ain’t no big deal max level in no time. We get all these silly posts about allied races to remove everything once again something that kept older content relevant but yes remove everything what little there is to keep old content relevant. Two person mounts exist. How about you ask for every zone to be open at the start instead.
I didn’t, but then I got a quest at level 30 to go learn flying… and thought I would be able to fly. I can fly in some areas, just not the ones I had been sent to.
I think you are talking about people in 2004 and not 2023 that have more of the internet at their fingertips. I don’t know anyone that still keyboard turns.
You greatly underestimate the intelligent of new players and younger players.
It’s insulting that you’re using that as your argument to justify a extremely bad gatekeeping measure that benefits no one.
I was just seeing some paladin on Sunday doing it in the outdoor primal invasions.
They probably aren’t new. I’ve had friends come into the game new, and you know what we do? We tell them everything about the game, all the basics. Get them introduced, give them advice, etc. I also use my stonedrake to get people around.
BFA is 2 expansions back. Why would it NEED to be relevant still? New Players are scaled to destroy that content anyway just like in Dungeons. It takes takes longer and is a miserable experience without flying.
Furthermore, Dragonflight LITERALLY gives you flying in the very first zone.
So what exactly was the point that you were making? Cuz “Keep everything relevant” doesn’t work and it sure isn’t affecting you at all since you aren’t in that content.
And no big deal to you? Tell that to the players that quit, like I did, because Blizzard kept trying to remove Flying and hid it behind awful Pathfinder requirements.
Furthermore, every expansion before BFA let’s players Fly and DF let’s players Fly. No Pathfinder. No Hoops to jump through.
Can’t you and your friend just enjoy bfa as it was made and allow them to figure out how to play, which is done on the ground anyways.
I see zero benifit in flying right off the bat for a new player, skipping co tent is not a good way to learn something new.
You are really focused on flying. Maybe focus on something else about your friend learning the game
Do the quests with your friend and stop making it seem like the game kicked your dog.
There is no point in doing any BFA quests once you hit 60. What part of that makes no sense to you?
Allied race unlocks. You’d be a fool to keep subjecting yourself to having to level to 60 in bfa without having gotten pathfinder or allied race access.
This right here is the issue. If a new player comes in, plays to 30, gets a quest to unlock Flying (or as mentioned above, sees it at the Trainer), unlocks Flying, then goes back to the area they were questing in, and then it doesn’t work, they will think it is broken. And sadly, it is for them.
If they can’t fly in the content they are doing, then it shouldn’t even be able to be seen as an option for them to get.
The alternative is obvious as well, just remove the Pathfinder requirement for flight OR allow for alternative starting zones where Flying is already unlocked, such as just the original Kingdoms.
Can’t you and your friend just enjoy bfa as it was made and allow them to figure out how to play, which is done on the ground anyways.
So the issue is that he’s looking forward to it, and with BFA there are little bits where it would just make things less pain so I can understand why he wants it. On DF he just used flight masters. Maybe a whistle would be good for BFA and leveling new players. I don’t know, I’m not trying to get the game changed.
I honestly hoped someone would actually not be tone deaf enough to realise that my issue is having a to tell him that he won’t be able to fly and not have him just quit. We have only played these toons for 3 nights (spread out over a couple weeks) and he just messaged me saying “can’t wait to play again and we will get to thirty and be able to FLY” it’s currently his incentive to actually stick with the game, and I know why, going through and up some of the temples on BFA is a bit maze-like and as he gets lost easy (as most new WoW players do) flying up to the top and getting a bird’s eye view to navigate would be a massive QOL upgrade for him.
Anyway, if anyone has any idea on how I should give him the news about PF and not have him quit then I’d love to hear it. That’s all I was really asking in the first place
You call it tone deaf, others have tried to help you help your friend have a positive experience as a new player. So you can continue to focus on what they cannot do in the short term.
This won’t change in the short term maybe some day. I’m not sure what exactly you want.
I heard about it, too, but it didn’t happen.
You can try explaining, in a neutral way, what Pathfinder is. It’s lifted for the older PF xpacs, but for BFA and SL it isn’t at this time. That your friend would most likely be 60 before they finish it, but that it’s there if they really love BFA and think they’d want to level an alt there. But once they level to X level (is it max for new toons, or just 60? I honestly do not know atm) that future alts can use Chromie time and choosing anywhere else besides BFA or SL, that alt will be able to fly at 30.
As for when you guys hit 30, while in BFA, you can either stay grounded with your friend or use your Obsidian Nightwing to chauffeur them around. If your friend wants to just grind dungeons, can do that, too. They can still use flying to explore the other parts of the world, just without Chromie time, the XP will suck.
I do agree, tho, that teasing new players with the lvl 30 “Come see me to fly” quest is a bummer. Blizz shouldn’t have that quest trigger for them if they can’t go where they can fly to level. Or just lift the PF restriction for BFA since they’re being forced there to begin with.
Thanks for the helpful response. I won’t be able to fly them around though, as I didn’t play BFA (or shadowlands) so maybe we can just use chromie time to move to another expansion at 30. Sucks that it’s this way but as others have said, it is what it is.
Hopefully they just remove parhfinder for BFA and shadowlands, that would make the whole game much more consistent, as it stands it seems we have (I think??):
World of Warcraft - can level to 60 here and fly at 30
Burning Crusade - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Wrath of the Lich King - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Cataclysm - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Mists of Pandaria - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Warlords of Draenor - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Legion - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with chromie time and fly at 30
Battle for Azeroth - Default and available to new players but with a quest to get flying at 30 that won’t work in this area
Shadowlands - Not accessible to new players but later can be done with later and doesn’t have flying.
Then the current 60-70 with dragonflight built around a different kind of flying
I don’t know about you guys but if I wasn’t an existing player and started playing I’d think that sounds like a hot mess.
Simple solution is: all previous expansions are offered as a choice to a new player at level 10 and all have flying at 30. Clean, effective and anyone can follow it. You could even put in a little mini-quest at the entrance to waking shores explaining why normal flying mounts don’t work.
Man I can’t imagine being a new player and starting in BfA. I mean yeah the story’s so far out of whack I guess it’s the only xpac to make a lick of sense if playing devil’s advocate, but I loved the feeling of starting out in Eversong as a new Blood Elf, or roaming Mulgore as a new Tauren. 
Another idea… lots and lots of Goblin Gliders. I think my husband and I used more GG’s on our 2 Horde alts in BFA, prior to completing PF, than all of our Alliance alts combined. That pyramid alone is a nightmare. (Doesn’t help the fact that I am gravitationally challenged LOL)
I had a blast running this alt through Elwynn Forest, Westfall, Redridge, Duskwood and the Stranglethorns. Something I hadn’t done in a long while.
BfA still requiring the achievement to fly is odd. Considering new players are locked to it and still unlock flying at 30 only to be told no in BfA.