The State of Classic from a casual's perspective

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BOTS/HACKS
As a casual player with limited playtime available each day, I have found that bots are impossible to compete with. I can spend hours collecting resources and practically get nothing.

Real Money Trades
Real money trading has created a raid logging community. People no longer play the game. Why would they want to try to compete with bots when they can just buy gold from the bots, or use bots themselves?

Burnout
Burnout is happening. People are getting tired of feeling like their effort is not rewarding. Part of this issue is just the nature of vanilla and this was expected by phase 6, but another part is due to the reasons above.

Inflation
The value of gold is diminished so much that a stack of plaguebloom is now the second most valuable resource in the game.

Playing Favorites
Blizzard providing favors to high profiled streamers. This is definitely NOT in the spirit of Vanilla.

Now in phase 6, it seems like I have been approaching the game completely wrong. I could of been a hardcore raider by just whipping out my credit card and raid logging. Or I could of just ran some GDKP raids and bought my way to a vanilla endgame experience as well as the loot.

Obviously, Blizzard has no intention of preventing bots and/or targeting the gold buyers so why not join them? I believe this behavior will carry on into a TBC relaunch as well and completely ruin that experience.

Classic did have a good run that was not completely plagued with “Commercial Video Gaming” but the future of Classic and any expansion relaunch will most likely be ran by bots, credit cards and whichever streamers have the most followers/influence… not a future I look forward to.

/End Rant
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I agree bots are trash. If I where you I wouldn’t play classic to be competitive. Just play for fun and dont worry about that kind of stuff. Unlike other expansions , classic is going to be up for a long time .

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yeah, your mostly right. Farming gold just cant keep up with the inflation caused by bots. A lot of people though were buying gold, and I mean bots just wont go away when they are being funded by real money like that.
IDK, you can get by on a minimum amount of gold though, but naxx really makes it harder than ever before. Naxx is the real deal that is for sure.

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I’ve read through your post several times and am failing to find and argument on as how to these issues affect a casual player. Maybe we have different definitions of casual? I came back after a year off and made enough gold for an epic mount in two weeks.

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Okay so

A) You wouldn’t be sitting on that much gold if Classic weren’t overrun with bots.
B) Even if you have enough gold to buy anything rather than farm it yourself, other actual players would still be farming those mats to sell them to players like you.

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Found the bot supporter / gold buyer.

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You would think that but nope - The AH on my server is overpriced like a mutha fka. Thats for the items actually on there. Anything pre-60 basically dont exist on the AH, i guess people are just disenchanting everything they possibly can.

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Maybe play on smaller server and get a true vanilla experience. Join a social leveling guild and you wont experience burn out, avoid the streamer servers, they are cringe fringe. Inflation occurs on servers that dont care for leveling, aka the servers that have larger caps than the actual vanilla servers.

Join Bloodsail buccaneers if you want a vanilla experience.

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The fact blizzard has no anti-cheat is pathetic. Bots fly hacking and not to mention they have 3x the people on servers and havent done a damn thing with spawns on herbs.

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Lol, this is absolutely false. The game has created the raid logging community, not bots. People raid log because they enjoy raiding and nothing else in the game. Many people have farmed their Nax consumes a long time ago, and those who haven’t mostly either play the AH or farm in instances for gold.

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Lol, this is absolutely false. The game has created the raid logging community, not bots. People raid log because they enjoy raiding and nothing else in the game. Many people have farmed their Nax consumes a long time ago, and those who haven’t mostly either play the AH or farm in instances for gold.

I highly doubt that every raid logger farmed their consumables months ago because most were raid logging months ago too. Lol.

Some farm on alts. That’s what I do, but I know for a fact that a lot of these raid loggers are buying consumables. On my server, there’s suddenly an increase in demand for, among other things, thistle tea. So much so that on raid nights, I can sell stacks for 25-35g. How those raid loggers get all their gold is anyone’s guess, but there are plenty of them buying consumables on raid night.

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What does this have to do with casuals at all? Everyone is fighting these things. Are casuals some special weird brand of player that experiences things so differently that they have to be labeled and separated from the res of us plebs?

These forums and the “plight of the casuals” is nauseating.

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People only care about the overall Vanilla experience when it suits their agenda.

If Classic really was the authentic overall experience, people wouldn’t be playing anymore. They can’t hack the time actually needed to play.

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Ah, very similar to the Vanilla experience! Tons of people bought gold at the high end back then. Bots and gold sellers were always a problem.

Blizzard has used several different means to combat these problems over the years, but they don’t have those tools here.

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You have to be pretty clueless and really new to the game to assume people raid log because they bought gold.

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Not gonna read any of your whiny garbage. Casuals were never supposed to get close to Naxx let alone do most bosses in AQ so the spirit of vanilla it is correct that you are in the dumpster where you belong.

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Blizzard could end bots pretty easily if they wanted. I feel they aren’t a bad thing for casuals though. They keep prices down at least. They could effect hard core players I guess but they are less common than casuals and semi casuals.

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Bots are going to be primarily farming instances, where they do not compete with other players and cannot be seen to then be reported.

If you’re truly experiencing difficulty obtaining resources in the open world, it’s more likely because of the higher realm populations than botting or hacking, unless you mean Black Lotus specifically.

Consider farming things like Winterfall Firewater, E’kos, Elemental Water/Fire/Earths. There is far less competition for these things as they require combat, which lowers competition from both legitimate players and bots alike.

Nah, that’d be world buffs and a general lack of content outside of raiding. They want to raid, but log out afterwards because that’s really all there is to do.

People who buy gold are people who were already raid loggers, but want the consumes for raids, or people doing GDKP runs because they’re bad players and can’t practice to get better and earn the gear from a loot council.

True, but this is for a different reason than you might expect. In retail, the content takes a while to actually clear, and clearing the content is the reward itself. The gear is totally separate from that because it all gets reset every patch; practically nothing carries over from patch to patch. It takes longer to burnout because it takes longer to actually obtain the guaranteed reward that is the satisfaction of killing the boss.

In Classic, the raids are cleared quickly, but the reward is the loot. However, the loot is random, and not guaranteed to go to you. You’re ultimately doing something unfulfilling because it’s not particularly challenging in and of itself, and your effort is not necessarily rewarded each week.

I don’t think you really know what inflation is. Yes, gold is less valuable, but that doesn’t at all affect the relative value of different resources traded with gold.

Plaguebloom is the second most valuable resource because they’re useful for three endgame consumables: Elixir of the Mongoose, Mageblood Potion, and Major Troll’s Blood Potion, and they’re relatively rare herbs found in only three zones.

You don’t really elaborate on this point at all, so I can only say “nope.”

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Maybe we have different definitions of casual?

I guess so since you all in here acting like a casual doesn’t raid. Guess I should of clarified, “casual raider.”

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What have they done for streamers? Outside of one rogue GM incident i dont think they have done anything to favor streamers in any way. Unless your still bitter about the beta. If thats the case. Let it go already.