As I do tons of testing to back engineer what gear is actually BiS in PvP I found out the coding problem with sockets.
The issue with Sockets is the .6 item levels they add is being added ontop of the template instead of added to the gear.
If you didn’t know completely naked a 120 character has a PvP item level of 286 now. That is the base template implemented after other scaling issues so that way you can’t tank your item level down to zero to get massive damage boost.
Now if you equip an 200 ilvl green item your PvP level actually doesn’t change. Since the 200 ilvl green is below your static 286 item level set template.
So in the test below I equipped the Legendary 267 belt from Legion and obviously it didn’t raise my item level past the 286 template. However when I add 1 socket my PvP item level raises up by .6 item levels to 286.6!!! Here is the problem!!! This belts item level in PvP should be 267.6
In the second picture I added another gem and it adds another .6 item level to total PvP level which is completely incorrect. It should be changing the item you are socketing .6 item levels.
So my 267 belt with 2 sockets jumped my overall PvP item level from 286 to 287.2 instead of changing what it was supposed to which is my 267 belt should now be 268.2.
So now all Blizzard needs to do is to make sure sockets are being applied to the actual item instead of the overall PvP level causing the negative effects of using gems in PvP. Hopefully they fix this bug soon.
I have some more testing to do because this scaling system was made so much more complicated then they need to as I search for what is actually BiS gear and how to Min/Max properly.
Yes it’s a shame! I was recently inspired by Rextroy and he gave me the much needed information to figure this out.
What is also shocking that I found is that each item slot has a different PvP stat weight. Which is impressively bad!!! That means if you get a high item level upgrade in a slot that has a BIG PvP stat weight. It’s actually also a nerf.
Sad times…Imagine getting an upgrade and actually believing it was when in reality you are really weaker due to an overly complicated and hidden PvP stat weights/scaling! None of this should of been coded this way.
Yes it does It is supposed to be adding .6 to the item equipped level… Not .6 to YOUR ENTIRE PVP TEMPLATE. That is why it creates a negative effect even after the gem is installed.
Example…
My PvP template with a 370 iLvL ring that has a socket is 478.638
My PvP template with a 445 iLvl ring that has no socket is 478.317
The 370 Item level ring has me at a higher freaking PvP item level than wearing a 445 ring with no socket
This is what you call a massive bug and and failed system.
Fixed it for you. I know you like to troll but seriously look at it. You can’t add .6 item levels to the PvP Template That is a bug. This entire system is massively flawed and why sockets have such a negative effect even with gems in them.
In what world does an item that is 75 item levels higher actually worse? They messed up the code obviously.
So you are saying sockets should be pointless and make you weaker! That doesn’t make sense. Adding a socket with the current bug makes you weaker because it is coded wrong. Sigh… gonna stop feeding you.
Yes but we didn’t know the reason for the bug and why it was adding .6 to overall PvP templates. The .6 should be added to that specific slot so it doesn’t have a negative effect.
But, it doesn’t really matter if they add gem ilevels to each item individually or if they add gem ilevels to your total ilevel (unless I guess it’s a corner case where you’re a max level toon wearing gear below 286 ilevel into PvP).
Why are people debating this in the forum with each other? This should be a universally agreed upon issue. Equipping gems should not make you less powerful in PvP. That’s really all there is to it.
If they want to have it where they make you less powerful in PvP than they do in PvE, sure. 2% instead of 10%. But it should not be a negative to where you equip gems and it makes you do less dmg and take more dmg.
Isn’t this the point? They didn’t want people exploiting the system by using old expansion gear with a ton of gem sockets in season 1, so this seems like it’s working as Blizzard intended.
Because some people I guess still don’t understand the bug and that it is still causing a negative effect. Or they just like to troll which doesn’t help get these bugs fixed. I know some people don’t like me but we all play the same game and should work together to fix it.
Yes they added a system but they coded it WRONG!!! That is why adding a socket is always worse. It makes you weaker.
No it isn’t!!! Blizzard said that better gear will never make you weaker that is straight from their mouth. However with this bug adding a + 50 gem makes you weaker because +50 stats doesn’t make up the 75+ item levels in raw stats.
In what world is +50 secondary stats from a gem better than +326 stam and +131 secondaries?
In a world where people purposely wear low level gear with gems but high ilvl azerites. You seem to have forgotten the state of the game when this was coded up
I want to believe you understand this but obviously you don’t. With the current bug if you have a BiS 475 item without a socket. You NEVER EVER want to add a socket because it makes you weaker in PvP. I just don’t know what else to say but I am not here to change your mind… you either get it or you don’t.
I swear some of you got to be flat earther’s and just ignore facts and information.
Hopefully we can get this bug fixed so people can actually gem their gear again. I doubt they want all PvP players to stop running visions because sockets make you weaker.
This is because sockets are coded incorrectly which I clearly explained. If they have no intentions on fixing the Bug then they need to allow PvP players to remove the sockets from their gear so they aren’t weaker in PvP.
Look I’m not going to waste my time explaining the history of Bfa to you. It’s fine that you figured this out, and I would also prefer the WoD system and not hidden scaling.
That being said, the “coding” issue in your original post was an intentional design decision at the time, not some dev accidentally putting a number in the wrong class. At this point in the game, when 286 is significantly below the current peak ilvl, exploiting old expansion gear is no longer viable, so the solution should just be reverting the hotfix entirely
It is supposed to be adding .6 to the item equipped level… Not .6 to YOUR ENTIRE PVP TEMPLATE. That is why it creates a negative effect even after the gem is installed.