I’d rather they try to help undo their harm, and thus help save lives, rather than do nothing.
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(mini rant incoming)
While that did occur to me, it’s stacked against the fact that some among the Worgen wouldn’t want to undo their diaspora by WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CAUSED IT ALONG WITH THE DEATHS OF SEVERAL OF THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
Maybe after a generation or two, but it’s only been ten years at most; nearly everyone directly involved is still around. Such a story beat is rushed and unearned at this point.
Remember in Legion when Genn and his forces decided to attack Sylvanas’ forces instead of fight the Burning Legion in Stormheim? If a genocidal, world-destroying army of LITEAL DEMONS couldn’t get them to move past their grudges, it’s ridiculous that they’d forget their deep personal grudges to dogpile (pun not intended) on a small, racist regional cult that can’t even conquer one city.
And what happened to the Ogres? In a book set during BfA, Genn said the ruins of Gilneas were overrun with Ogres. They’re not tied to the faction conflict, they’re present, why not kill some ogres instead of these hackneyed punching bags?
That sounds like a horrid worldbuilding idea if the worgen in the SC weren’t portrayed as being used, lmao.
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That’s a horrid idea. If anything, the Worgen should develop their own Paladins through the Harvest Witches and their connection to Goldrinn.
Giving them Paladins via a racist and human centric organization is….it’s bad. Real bad
True on that but some how the Forsaken Heritage Armor Questchain has them return once again to reclaim lordaeron but they were defeated in silverpine and tirisfal again and now Gilneas. So who knows if they are truly ever going to be wiped out?
This applies to working with them in any respect and to some extent both sides. But ultimately I’d rather shown cooperation than tense peace. After a generation isn’t going to happen for probably another ten years in modern time, lol.
Or we can acknowledge Genn has gone through some personal growth of some kind. Remember Before the Storm? Where he indicates hey, peace is possible and the Forsaken have some humanity in their ranks.
They could do both. But Ogres are even less dynamic than Scarlets with an almost constant degree of villainy that amounts to ‘I’m an Ogre, I thus do bad’.
Yeah, and I remember a lot of people thinking that was stupid…
Given this was going on.
You’re just highlighting bad storytelling.
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While I agree with most of this, it just proves my point further that this story beat is a bad idea.
That would make sense, except it’s an unearned story beat.
What made Genn consider peace is possible with the Forsaken?
How did Genn go from “Forsaken are worse than demons” to “peace is possible” in one year?
Why did Genn soften his stance on the Forsaken during the same year the Forsaken were doing war crimes like the Burning of Teldrassil and using Blight on Lorderaen?
What made Genn think the other Gilneans would be okay with working alongside those who drove them from their homeland and slaughtered their loved ones?
Genn said Gilneas was overrun with Ogres in Before the Storm, so I think they make more sense. That said, you have a point about Ogres being one-note too. I wouldn’t mind them being more nuanced and fleshed-out too.
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I am not even sure this is even the crusade proper. The scarlet brotherhood really came onto the stage quietly during late BFA with its recruitment/propaganda pamphlets. Given what they say in those about how they want to use Genn to purge the forsaken but then they will kill him and the Worgen off too it would actually make sense to me if the Gilneas campaign began with the Brotherhood saying “Hey, we claimed Gilneas but are willing to give it to you if you will agree to work towards our cause” and he tells them to take a long walk off a short pier.
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That would be okay, perhaps. Definitely less bad than yet another use of Team Rocket… I mean, the Scarlet Crusade.
Pretty sure it is from exposure to see Forsaken in The Gathering. And seeing them interact with humans. He starts seeing them as people. Which really is all it takes.
Forsaken are people, but people do bad things too. And what about my other two questions;
Ok.
There’s a difference between thinking someone are a bigger problem than demons/monsters and viewing them as people with good and bad.
Same answer as above.
Hypothetically? Maybe he talked to them on the topic.
That doesn’t answer my second question. It’s hard to believe his views on Forsaken would have shifted while some were doing the same kind of atrocity as what made him hate them in the first place. If anything, wouldn’t that reinforce the negative view?
We should be shown that conversation instead of Blizzard’s classic “try to hide plot holes behind time skips” trick.
In BTS his considers the forsaken not people, thats why he hated them, He suffered because of them so he othered them in his mind with the belief they could do no good, and should be exterminated, What changed his mind was meeting alonsus foul who he knew in life, realising he was literally the same person post death and pre-death and then seeing the gathering made him realise they all were actual people. He from then on only kept his rage against sylvanas for killing his son. Basically the Conversation did happen, but in a book
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Doing more bad stuff doesn’t make them not people. Once you accept the idea a group are people, seems hard to go back.
Let me rephrase that. It’s hard to believe he would consider peace with the Forsaken while some were doing the same kind of atrocity as what made him hate them in the first place.
Fair, but he can’t assume every Forsaken is an Alonsus or a Sylvanas, and Sylvanas didn’t drive the Gileans out by herself. Also, see above.
That conversation happened with Genn, but what about the rest of his people? Who don’t have that same contact with, or knowledge of, Alonsus.
And Blizzard is still trying to pull a “try to hide plot holes behind time skips” trick.
While they’re doing the same kind atrocities? But they aren’t anymore. That’s why peace is an option.
Scarlets really reached Gnomergan Leper Gnome levels of; ‘really… You’re back again?’
They’ve honestly overstayed their welcome since some scarlets renegades got rolled into the Brotherhood of the Light and/or just flat out killed over and over again by both Forsaken and DK activities.
(Ignore my transmog)
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The Forsaken heritage quest strongly suggests that the Scarlet Crusade that exists now doesn’t necessarily have a lot of continuity with the one we fought in Vanilla->Wrath. The Scarlet Banner is one that has been dropped and picked up again several times, kinda like the Klan.