You don’t have heroes without antagonists. Again I’ve made the point that X’era is essentially Blizzard’s version of Dark Kosh.
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So do you think there is a problem with how Blizzard writes their female characters? And Xe’ra was no antagonist - that was the Burning Legion, she - like Illidan - seems to be Blizzard’s idea of an anti-hero (character on the side of good but with non-heroic traits). Was Illidan a villain for what he did to Akama?
While we agree on quite a few things, I think there might be some cognitive dissonance on your part here.
I used to vary on the topic of Blizzard’s female character the past (from “there’s an issue, but it’s being exaggerated by certain people” to “I see where they’re coming from, questions need to be asked”) but due to what came out in the lawsuit, there’s clearly an issue.
X’era is not a feminist icon, or even a female character really. She’s a vindictive sentient pieces of glass.
I think it’s funny you are now trying to piggy back on Blizzard hurting female characters to exonorate X’era for her crimes, when you award no such sympathy to other female villians in this franchise.
Regardless if Illidan is a fan favourite or just a cringe edge lord, X’era violated his consent and no one deserves that.
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M? How is that not a female character?
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Automatons, murlocs, inhabitants of the Void… Everyone assigns a gender to everyone, don’t they?
People also assign genders to inanimate objects. Some dudes refer to their trucks as females, doesn’t mean it is one.
(Never understood that concept honestly)
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Ownership. They own it, they want to own the women in their life, therefore truck is woman.
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That’s like….the dumbest thing ever. Than again, these type of dudes aren’t usually too bright to begin with
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What Thad is doing, intentionally or not, is trying to twist women’s issues to justify the subtextual rape of Illidan, and that’s not okay. It doesn’t matter if Illidan is an edgelord, no one deserves rape, ever.
If Thad could stop trying to continue this discourse about Xe’ra in every thread, that would be great. There is nothing that could spin this situation into Xe’ra being right, Xe’ra was wrong and got destroyed for it, she got her due comeuppance.
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You have. You have made multiple threads crying about her and the Light, because Blizzard chose to make them capable of wrong doing, instead of wholly perfect and good.
Even the threads you make about other stuff tend to circle back to that topic.
Sure she was.
Illidan may not be the best good guy ever, but he had a point. Xera was the villain of the piece… and ended up in pieces.
He was done bartering for power and being the pawn of cosmic forces. They can’t sit around hoping that the person who picks a chose one is always perfect and correct.
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You have, and pretty much most people have told you that you’re wrong. We all know you can’t fathom the light being anything but good and always correct.
The light and the naaru being capable of having ulterior motives is actually good writing
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Part of me wonders if Thadeus’ problem may be that he’s linked the Light to Christianity.
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It is one of his biggest problems. Seems to have trouble separating the two
Serious talk, no insults or snark?
I think you should make that thread. Have your Xe’ra thoughts all in a single place where people can parse through it all. You’ll say a bit here, another there, another over there, and rely on all three bits to inform a fourth discussion. It’d be easier to have it in a single place.
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Michael Moorcok’s alignment graph ran along one dimension from Law to Chaos. His hero’s visits to the ultimate planes of both demonstrated that without moderation, both were equally fatal to mortals.
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That’s what I’ve been saying all the time. He wants the Light to be infalliable because he equates it to his irl faith. To admit the Light is wrong would be him admitting Catholicism is wrong. But he can disconnect the two and still keep his faith AND see The Light as falliable, he just doesn’t want to. Ergo, he jumps through hoops and does mental gymnastics to justify the antagonistic side of the Light.
Everyone else can disconnect the Light and real life religions but he takes personal offense to that, he takes personal offense when anyone critiques The Light, he takes it as an attack on his personal faith.
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This just isnt true anymore. Videogaming has become so mainstream that it is like cinema. Where once, people who enjoyed going to see movies were called moviegoers eventually, moviegoers were just everyone.
The same for gamers. It’s just kinda silly that we even use the term anymore and because we still do, it has to mean some extreme subset of videogame fans. Otherwise (one might think) why even label them gamers?
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While I am sure his personal experiences, and beliefs help to inform his character’s identity and his image of WoW human religion, I would be a hypocrite if I were to criticize that.
I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with feeling negative about villainbatting the light, especially if one reasonably sees the Holy Light as an analogue for their real-life belief system.
I am angry about the way they shifted gears on Sylvanas in part because I am a bit of a switch with mommy-dommy fantasies of a caring zombinatrix and deep-rooted issues with unstable women, that a caring Sylvanas was a salve for. Without that, it’s hard to identify with my Forsaken. So I can sympathize with anyone alienated by a shift in the Light narrative.
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You make a very good point Mawthorne, and it’s true, we all don’t hate him for being religious or liking the Light, we don’t hate him at all.
He actually got a lot of support in his thread about villian batting the Light. It’s just him trying to twist the Scarlet Crusade and Xe’ra turning Illidan as morally justified, even when they are portrayed as villians in this franchise.
I’ve participated in all of his threads, where he draws the line for most people, is defending religous zealotry, or trying to claim irl religions haven’t done anything morally irreprehensible.
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I need that so I can roleplay defending my Queen.
I empathize with your shift in feelings in the Sylvanas narrative. I feel it too 
i want the old dichotomy back, who knows if ‘soft’ Sylvanas will have the same appeal. I loved her dom persona. I felt impowered by it.
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