Using Xe’ra as a feminist icon would be like using Harpies as a feminist icon, due to how they mate, at least in the RPG. It’s insane.
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Exactly it’s using toxic femininity, and saying “but she’s a woman so she’s the victim” Does he not see how backwards that is?
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I have absolutely no issue with you.
You just happen to be wrong on this specific topic.
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No one has a problem with you personally. It’s your terrible takes people take issue with
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Because literally all I did was try to suggest that it would be beneficial if you actually got all your Xe’ra complaints in a single thread, so people could see them all and maybe see the total picture of why you feel the way you feel about her. Because you suggested you might do it, and I wanted to encourage you to do. And you dumped a big pile of aggro on me for having the audacity to do so.
You want to know why I’m not going to go tit-for-tat with you here?
Because you’re not here trying to argue; you made it very clear you’re here for a fight for the sake of it, and I’m frankly uninterested in fighting you.
I’d rather have an honest discussion than get attacked for trying to encourage you.
So no thanks.
X’era is far from the first or only Naaru your character interacts with given that we’ve been encountering them since Burning Crusade. Unlike her however the presence of the others are generally described as relaxing and calming.
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I think it’s pretty well known what traits make a “feminist hero” but what are the traits of a “feminist villian” or antagonist, which still portrays her in a positive light. Up until Teldrassil I was able to rationalize that Sylvanas was a feminist anti-hero type because 1. She bucked tradition. She was a commander of a faction, she was cunning, she was militaristic, pragmatic, stoic, all characteristics are not normally associated with being female, and yet she was still feminine. She exuded power and authority without having to ‘act like a man.’ and she was accepted by her peers, generally as an equal and when they didn’t, like Garrosh, she scared the hell of out him by standing up to him. 2. Nurture, she cared for her people, this is a feminine trait, and a trait of a feminist hero. But she did it within a sphere of “hurt them and I hurt you.” It’s not unlike depictions of the ‘male protector’ archetype, she was willing to do whatever it took to protect her people, she was defensive mostly but a little antagonistic. which goes with the next point.
3. Subverting expectations. We expect women to be in certain roles, like Mother, caregiver, nurturer excetera, women are not expected to be leaders, warriors, protectors, etc. Women are not expected to be the dominant in relationships, or to be commanders of the army, or military stategists, but she is all of those things.
You could make a point that Xe’ra is a mother and a leader, but she’s a toxic version of those things. She’s not inspiring her people, she’s controlling them with fear of punishment. She’s not nurturing her chosen children, she’s forcing them to align with her beliefs or face destruction, pain, or even absolute subjugation by force. She’s not subverting topes. She’s manipulating by pretending to be a nurturing mother, but she’s the toxic “Light mother” leading a crusade of zealots to wipe out anyone who doesn’t covert to their rigid faith.
Xe’ra isn’t a feminist icon she’s just a toxic female character with no redeeming qualities.
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Which I think is a modern society problem with how women are supposed to be in certain roles and not others.
After all, there are a ton of famous warrior women, badass queens and there are stories of women pirate captains who struck fear wherever they went. Women are hell of a lot tougher than our current society gives them credit for
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I do appreciate how y’all pretty much shut down Thad’s nonsense responses. Nice job
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I watched the video. If blizzard really did make it so we were still under the influence of N’zoth, and SL was just us experiencing one of the void’s “many truths” and the real Sylvanas was still in the wind, and we stopped her from tearing open the sky and severed the Jailer’s connection to the helm of domination and stopped this reality from ever happening… Id be fine with that.
Ren is suspended until March 1, for one of her Xe’ra comments.
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She told me. Blatant sexist and racist remarks go untouched, but she gets banned.
Looks like the Mods are trying their damnedest to bully certain people off the Story forum again
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You will be missed Ren. I shall keep fighting the Redpills until your return.
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At least you admitted Xe’ra is/was is female.
I never said or indicated Xe’ra as a feminist icon, you claimed I did to misrepresent my position. If Xe’ra was male/hermaphrodite/whatever, my position would be the same.
How many Lightforged Draenei expressed fear of Xe’ra? None. How did they join her? Willingly when the Draenei were evacuated from Argus. Were the Lightforged Draenei grateful or even relieved when Illidan killed her? No, he got off scot-free due to bigger problems (them being in the middle of demon HQ), Velen’s words and bad writing. Your “toxic mother” claims about Xe’ra, if true, would only reinforce my claim about the character being a stand-in for author ax grinding.
Do you think you get a free pass to lie because you’re claiming to champion women’s rights?
It’s telling of Renautus that she was shut down for her comments for that long. Maybe she shouldn’t lie, name-call and troll as she has.
I’m not the one who came up with the idea of “Illidan: Champion of the Light”. Blizzard did in the Illidan novel and the “Legion” expansion. Before then I thought Illidan would either give his life to destroy Sargeras or the expansion would play out as it did - minus being shilled by a Naaru and that edgelord cinematic. If anything, I’d have considered Illidan unworthy of being a champion of the Light.
Xe’ra’s not a feminist icon, I never said she was. Either you misunderstood me, you’re trolling me or you’re employing cognitive dissonance to deny my proof about how Xe’ra was written instead of actually addressing it. Et tu, Doness?
Prove it.
The amount of times you and others have lied about me and called me all sorts of names says otherwise. So much for shutting down my so-called-“nonsense responses”.
I will. Until then, are you going to acknowledge and address the issue I raised here, or not?
I already answered this.
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I’m not here to fight for the sake of it, this is an issue I see with how that naaru character was written. While I might disagree with your position, I’d like to hear it.
I’ve butted heads with the others during debates with them because they tend to derail into personal attacks, strawman arguments, name-calling and trolling instead of actually addressing the point I raised… in this case, because showing that how Xe’ra was written could be a product of certain devs’ attitude towards women and female characters challenges and undermines their hatred/“love to hate” position on Xe’ra.