Almost all of the Scarlets were racist. The literal one exception that I can name is Taelan Fordring. Alexandros Mograine was also never the leader of the Scarlet Crusade, that was Saidan Dathrohan/Balnazzar; Alexandros’s death happens before it.
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We have an entire questline from Legion showing that not all the scarlet crusaders were racist, the priest order hall recruited their priests.
Then I would like to correct myself, the proto-scarlet crusade was not initially a racist organization. And if Saidan wasn’t subtly influencing them I think it might have become if not totally free of racism at least benigned enough to have tolerated working with the other non-human races especially considering everyone had a goal of ridding the Scourge.
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They weren’t Scarlets because they defected, if you’re loyal to the Scarlet Crusade in-universe; you are racist.
Unlikely, if Saidan/Balnazzar was never influencing them the Silver Hand would have remained divided, and considering how xenophobic Abbendis and the like were it would have likely resorted to infighting; they weren’t even working with other races BEFORE Saidan’s death.
They WERE Scarlet, now they are not/are considered apostates by the Scarlet but that is my point. That not everyone that was in the Crusade was as xenophobic as its leadership/actually changed their view.
Assuming no Saidan business then Morgraine would likely have lived. It would be Abbendis vs the two and likely support from the rest of the Alliance.
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If you’re part of and loyal to the Scarlet Crusade in-universe, you are racist, the priests in Legion were not Scarlets because they defected.
Abbendis was not the only person that was racist.
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kill all members of the scarlet crusade.
it is correct, good, and just to do so.
it is an added benefit that it will make zerde mad.
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Why would that make me particularly mad? These guys were attacking the Alliance, if there is one thing you should know about me, I don’t particularly like anyone who attacks the Alliance. Not to mention they are antithetical to the whole “Alliance” concept.
Having said that, if we are suppose to give everyone a second shot then that should apply to the scarlets as well. Honestly, I think Blizzard could redeem some of them/finally change them a la Man’ari questline.
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Unlikely, they’re pretty consistent in the Scarlets being wholly antagonists.
The only good scarlet is a dead scarlet. They can earn their redemption in the afterlife
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See, you get it. Most people on this thread do not.
Yeah, the ones who eventually fell into the scarlet crusade were racist but the majority of the order of the silverhand were not. The dreadlord played on these fools hearts and turned them into zealots.
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You’re 100% correct but you’ll be hard pressed to convince the Danuser loyalists of that. They cling to his nihilistic “everyone’s equally bad” depiction of the cosmology like a fussy toddler holding a blanket.
It’s just so strange. We see the light being “evil” as outliers, not even the norm. The scarlet crusade was not normal, it was being manipulated by a dreadlord and playing on their minds.
Xe’ra was a zealot but also wrong, the lightforged army agreed with this because she was going overboard.
I don’t talk about AU Yrel because that was a complete 180 writing on her character from WoD just so they can add Brown Orcs into the game. But even then, the orcs were also being lightforged so whatever on that dumb storyline.
Now we got the prior in Hallowfall but the fact is that they are outliers as well. They took their own culture to the 11th mark that even the rest of the lamplighters outside the church was disgusted by what they were doing.
All the times that the light went “bad” was because of outside forces manipulated them.
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Yup, the light having zealots is an outlier, not the norm. Majority of the time, light wielders aren’t racists, zealots, or have zero compassion of understanding in them. It literally goes against what the light does to a person using it.
I’m sorry, is your argument that someone using the Light can’t be evil, because as soon as they do anything that would be considered “evil” they’d become clouded by doubt and lose the will to use the Light?
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That’s basically the story of Arthas and Anduin, yes.
I believe the concept originated with the D&D paladin, where breaking an oath resulted in the loss of abilities. The Warcraft RPG also had this rule. Unfortunately, it was declared non-canon, but the core principle was preserved through the rules regarding light magic (which are still canon).
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Isn’t light based powers based on faith?
Like as long as you believe you are righteous the light won’t forsake you
Yep. Generally, all a Lightwielder needs is A ) faith/worship in the Light B ) to think that they are wholly in the right. They don’t need to actually BE in the right, they just need to think they are.
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Yeah like the Blood elves had complete faith that they were both siphoning the light but that their use of it in defence of silvermoon was righteous, the Scarlet Crusade believe that their cause is righteous, and the Lightbound similarly
The only times a Paladin lost their power was Tirion when he believed excommunication cut his power off, the blood knights when Muru was taken, and the Broken
I’m sorry, is your argument that someone using the Light can’t be evil, because as soon as they do anything that would be considered “evil” they’d become clouded by doubt and lose the will to use the Light?
Literally yes, There are outliers like the brainwashed scarlet crusade but the lore showed us constantly, with Arthas and now Anduin that once you start to have negative thoughts, doubts in what you are doing then the light fades from you.
When Arthas killed the first civilian in Stratholm with the light infused hammer of his, the hammer went from being light as a feather because of his power in the light, to heavy as stone because he started to lose his own faith in what he was doing was right and just. Negative emotions started to enter him and it showed via him not being able to wield the light.
We saw the same thing with Anduin now.