The real real issue with replacing addons

There’s no way Blizzard is going to keep them up to date.

-The improved UI hasn’t seen any additional changes since it was introduced, as far as I am aware.

  • We don’t have proper tooltips on many talents (example: purge the wicked was removed from the game but its still in the text of two priest talents. )

  • several dead talents are still scaled to dragonflight ( power word life for priest, and soul barrier for DH to name two)

So… What happens to the rotation helper when we get new class tuning.

I can’t help but believe this will be implemented in 11.7 or w/e it is, and then remain there when we’re in 12.0. At the very least, it’ll lag like 2-3 months behind changes.

With all these “one button” threads and outrage posts, I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet.

They will update the logic of the rotation helper. You think they don’t run internal sims and know the optimal rotation? They will have all the data to update the helper ready to go.

I know blizzard likes to make things and then let them gather dust. They have a long track record for doing that. So no, I really don’t have faith in them being better at updating these features than the current addon developers.

A new patch day now essentially equates to 2 weeks of daily maintenance, and many of these issues persist for months or years. (Remember the achievement spam in DF that went on for two patches? Or the guild finder tools still broken / not functioning properly for almost a decade. How about the looting issues thatve persisted for over a year on nodes? )

I just cannot fathom a world where this system comes out, and after one maybe two pass-overs isn’t just neglected.

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Possibly, but keep in mind that addon makers often don’t update the addons for while either. There is many good addons that still aren’t updated for the expansion.

Most addons, if they want to remain used, update the very tuesday a patch is put out, and at the latest, caught up by the following week.

I do not see that happening

I would think that updating is the least of the issues with this system. How many times have I done a game update and gone to curseforge to find that my favorite addons have not been updated for that patch? Presumably with inhouse addons, they will be updated along with the patch.

Assuming they work (and there are always bugs) that would actually seem a positive for inhouse addons.

All we can do is hope. But as I said, the improved UI is a prime example - as it was the first iteration of these addon improvements.- It’s allegedly supposed to be recieving regular new features and continuous improvement yet its exactly the same as it was 2 years ago.

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My personal fear with replacing addons is that some addons that I know they’ll never bother to implement into the base UI will likely get caught in the crossfire.

I know nothing about how addons are made, but I can easily see Blizz implementing a feature that bans [insert some type of coding whatever] in order to remove, say, damage meter addons from the game because they plan on making their own… but they won’t take into account that this may break other unrelated addons with features that Blizzard has no intention of providing themselves.

I don’t want to lose my RP addons because Blizzard is trying to clean up PvE addons. We’ve already seen them implement different addon regulations that have harmed benevolent RP addons in the past. I fear the same will happen here, on a larger scale.

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In that interview, Ion said it’s only real-time combat, so RP addons should be free & clear of any disruption. I will admit that with spaghetti code you can have unintended dependencies so your comment about “may break other unrelated addons” is a valid concern, but it’s not their intent to break such addons (just ones that are related to real-time combat info like DBM boss timers, Details-type damage meters, etc.).

I definitely trust it’s not their intent—I just worry about the unintended side effects with, as you said, the spaghetti code. :frowning: And I doubly worry that because we’re generally regarded as the smallest/least important fraction of the playerbase, if it does mess with us… they might just never do anything about it. Gah. I know it’s doomer talk, but I just can’t help but fear it.

They’ll keep them up to date as part of their updates, I’d imagine.

I dont have faith that this will remain the case over time, especially given the already overwhelmed/ understaffed nature of the quality control of recent years.