The PVP gearing issue makes me lose faith about Classic Plus

They can’t figure out how to make pvp on par with pve gear including set bonuses that are really OP for some class/specs.

They could make several different tiers of pvp gear from the same sets just adjusting the stats or add the ability to core forge them and swap to pve set bonus like the T1/T2 gear.

You guys trust this team to make classic plus? They can’t even figure out a very simple issue that has blatantly plague wow classic for many many years.

Nobody is asking to be OP over the other side unless you disagree that pvp’rs shouldn’t have the same opportunity to gear without raiding. Raiding in classic is very easy but I get so many people enjoy it. I am not saying pvp gearing is any easier but the hours put in weekly for honor vs raiding is largely different.

I can hop on and clear a raid in 1-3 hours and be done for the week. R12-r14… Crazy hours.

There has to be something done for the PVP community for classic to survive beyond AQ. We have now seen classic wittle away at the same gearing interval 4x now.

To be honest they need to do better for the raid crowd as well but pvp has been largely ignored. This Thursday you’re going to see why sod numbers drop to nothing and classic fresh goes nuts again. There is a gigantic community of us who love leveling and pvping. Open world engagements and Organically occurring world pvp built this game.

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Yeah they can’t make PVP good and they don’t care about PVP.

I called it in Phase 1 that PVP was going to be awful and they would make PVE weapons better than R14 gear.

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idk what all you BUMs are crying about the pvp in sod is amazing. Only one’s that should be crying are mages/enh cause they are GARBAGE. But even a mage can be good with the right gear/spec set up.

While I do think the set bonuses and weapons should be better than they are, I’m not gonna cry about it. There is no competitive pvp system in vanilla and there probably never will be. To legit be on par with pve gear every phase they would need to have 4 different pvp sets or an upgrade system. And that is never gonna happen.

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How is it amazing?

BRM has a gd res timer when you die a few times… It’s designed to be mass pvp and you die 2 times and you’re on a timer.

PVP gear compared to pve gear is absolute garbate.

They killed world pvp literally the best part of leveling in wow with incursions.

This is easily doable. I could do this on my off time during the weekend.

There is unlimited world pvp… Go to Yojambajuice isle… or ZG. Or silithus right now. Go to booty bay, winterfall boarlage. Thorium point during the event.

PVP gear is garbage? All the people I see in full PVE gear just get harlem GLOBED.

Who cares about BRM during the event???

Incursions? I farmed people in incursions all the time. Feralas was a warzone.

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you know for some , pvp is its own reward.

some people would pvp even without any rep or gear incentive.

the number that do that is lower than you would even think but theres still some.

if there were gear progression in pvp and ranking and actual rewards to incentivize people to do pvp i would be for it.

remove dhks and make big rewards from killing city/faction leaders. the stv stuff and the bre stuff and even ashenvale were good for a time and could be modified as an always on thing or something with some fixes for the res timer not going to 2 mins to res .

but ya there seems to be a push to give some avenue for gearing and ways to pvp that would be a full thing on its own.

i just dont want resilence gear. more stam or some real set bonuses other than 2 % more crit or some other non fun thing.

i also want the gear to be useable across pvp and pve and vice versa.

100%

I am having a blast with random pvps. Rock paper scissors have their own arena servers. The doomers again should go play what suites them best instead of typing sweet nothings here. SoD will keep me subbed for a long time.

No - this team has really just been a maintenance team testing retail qol changes in classic.

Not really, pretty easy to max honor each week, even piling up AB losses as a solo que Ally

Yea try to tell me raid hours are longer than pvp hours LOL… I do both before you try.

Hours no, but with PVP the reward is guranteed, PVE its all RNG

trolling is against the forum rules sir :expressionless:

This poster has been an absolute clown for a long time now. Enjoy getting 2-3 shot in your 4k HP BWL/MC gear listening to this guy. If you’re not in R13 gear with Flask of the Titans, you are flat out griefing yourself. I’d also recommend getting all the high HP Blood Moon off-pieces next phase.

Also, World PvP dead? Bro seriously go to Searing Gorge, STV, Silithus, or Winterspring. Or even Duskwood if you’re Horde or Badlands if you’re Alliance if you want to ambush people. You can add EPL to the list next phase. But I have a feeling you already knew all this.

I don’t think the R14 weapons as datamined are the final version since this was in the new patch notes dropped today:

“Rank 14 PvP weapons have also seen an update and overhaul, including a new PvP-oriented effect.”

Unless the added stamina is the ‘PvP-oriented effect’, I’d wait for phase drop to be certain.

There will almost certainly have a PVP specific ability on them

R14 weapons reduce damage taken from other players by 5% and the weapon damage is higher than the datamined versions too

What am I trolling about? if you are getting 2 shot it’s cause you are not geared correctly. I have been having a blast.

I here this argument A LOT.

I was never a fan of raiding so i thought 2019 i’ll give it a go.

Raided classic era, Som and SOD and now I can 1000% say PVE classic is 100x easier to gear than pvp. just the 60000 AVS you gotta do :d

World pvp is awesome but I don’t want it to end at AQ cause you start getting 1 tapped by pve gear and trinkets/rings/neck/ wrist ect…

You’ve never acknowledged the most salient point in the discussion. The game is an RPG. If the quartermaster down the street has comparable gear to what legendary monsters have hoarded, it’s literally going against one of the most prolific aspects of the fantasy genre.

You also have never acknowledged how a good player doesn’t need the best gear to beat other players, presumably because you’re not a good player.