How? the old lore didn’t exist on these issues. We knew that the Earthen were Titan creations and that’s just about all we knew.
Then supporting or opposing them are equally valid choices, meaning there’s no reason to fight the Titans. But something tells you don’t see it that way
I believe that the mortal races have a right to priortize their own survival and the right to their own agency over whatever agenda their creators might have.
The Titans won’t be the first mad god that the Champion has to put down.
Thus you just refuted your own point and proved you DO take a side.
The character takes a side.
Remember the distinction.
And that doesn’t change my point about the illusion of free will. Living creatures are genetically programmed to be oriented towards their own survival.
If free will was an illusion, then there’s nothing to take away so there’d nothing wrong with someone like the Titans making everyone do things their way.
And you’re controlling the character and endorsing an in-universe choice. You’re still taking a side, and none of your wordplay changes that.
It’s a useful illuison, the way identity and persistent vision are.
Yes, but the characters aren’t me. I play multiple characters each with their own personalities, agendas, and goals. Thier opinions aren’t mine. I can’t dish out anywhere near the violence they do.
If you feel that creators have an inborn right to treat their creations like garbage, that might explain some of the views you’ve expressed. That’s an interesting ethical/morality question. What do creators owe their creations? What are their bounds?
That’s another self-defeating statement; if persistent vision were an illusion, it wouldn’t be possible. But is, so it’s not an illusion.
And yet you will still consider some characters right and others wrong if you play a variety of characters.
Be careful , talk of how a creator SHOULD treat their creations, or calling a creator’s treatment of their creations “garbage”, is objective morality, something you have shown a pathological aversion to. You either have to leave subjective morality to make a claim like that or acknowledge your opposition to a creator “abusing” their creation is hollow; the two are mutually exclusive. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
“I made this person, I get to control them” The thought process of every abusive parent.
It’s entirely SUBJECTIVE what a person thinks how a creator should treat their art.
Since you know, everyone’s going to have a different of opinion on the matter
Free will is most certainly not an illusion and I can pull up A LOT of reserch to back this up.
The Earthen and the owl people in the Shadowlands being made for a spasific purpose is one thing, but they are in fact shown to have some who go against this.
I think the issue is Earthen are not art they are people.
It’s still subjective. For the simple reason that people are going to disagree on what’s right or wrong concerning the earthen and other titan made beings
Well if we are going that route everything would be subjective and we would not really get far in defining what’s acceptable. Most (not all) evils carried out in fiction by villians who honestly think they are in the right.
Subjectivity and law dont mix well.
Now of course the Titans have there own laws, but if were considering morality and ethics I belive people should have more freedom then less, otherwise we have robots not characters.
I mean, there’s a reason why most crimes have several degrees of severity to them. Like first degree, second, etc.
So subjectivty and law mix pretty well actually
In this context no. That would be like a criminal saying “I broke no laws because I subjectivity believe that.”
Degrees of severity are just that, degrees.
Not how subjectivity in this case works, but okay
He still would’ve comitted a crime, just how severe the penality is a different matter
If we are using it in that sense, sure. I thought you ment to say that Earthen would have no rights.
Laws are what a group of people agree to. You can defy them as you wish, but the defiance may have consequences inflicted by said group.
Yes, that is my SUBJECTIVE call. There’s reasons we have phrases like “As I see it.”
If morality were objective, we could describe it on purely rational terms that could be logicked by a set of cogwheels.
The problem I have with saying morality/laws is subjective is how people define it. Not sure if you ever watch those “sovereign citizen” cases on youtube.