Is learning through failure. And learning hard.
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Yes, many struggle with tanking because in other roles failures can be somewhat ambiguous at times, but a failure in tanking is obvious immediately most of the time. I used to feel that way, but I got sick and tired of waiting on tanks to join queue and eventually threw caution to the wind.
To any prospective tanks out there, give it a shot! Just listen to constructive criticism and ignore the toxicity.
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Anyone can be a dps and slide by. Not everyone can be a tank.
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It’s often not, there are times where you could have used a defensive better or you pulled wrong however could be the DPS missed interrupts/CC/soothe or took extra damage and distracted the healer. I’d argue nearly every case of something goes wrong is usually because the DPS messed up. People like to say DPS has it easy but dungeon success is like 90% on the DPS to play well, and that doesn’t mean just pumping damage.
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Tanking is easy, being a DPS is easy. There’s not much complexion in both roles.
Healers (good ones, not DPS players that just want to queue faster) are the ones that deserve the praise really.
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Wernt you conplaining about how difficult tanking was in another thread? Which is it. Tanking is on another plane in comparison to dps.
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Seems you got me confused with another person.
But no, tanking isn’t hard. Memorizing routes isn’t hard, knowing when to use defensives isn’t hard. What’s hard is getting people to actually listen to you.
It might be easy for those who are able to and fits the play style. However, I don’t think everyone and anyone can pick it up and do well. One the other side, anyone can dps.
I do agree that healers are also difficult to play.
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If it’s so easy, how are you only barely doing 17’s?
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I don’t think there’s any role that everyone and anyone can pick up and do well with.
If you’re removing the qualifier of doing it well, sure, anyone can press buttons and eventually make the red bar go down, in the same way that anyone can press buttons and make the green bars go up, or press buttons and make the enemies hit you.
I agree with Drekor that most of the responsibility falls to the DPS. When I’m tanking, I’m expected to come with a route prepared and pull within a timely manner, but beyond that the success of the run is largely out of my hands.
We’ve all tanked runs with three mediocre DPS, and it doesn’t matter how good you are at tanking, it’s going to be a miserable slog. The Healer is going to be tapped out because everything is taking forever to die, the DPS aren’t avoiding the avoidable damage, nothing is getting interrupted, and they aren’t peeling for you.
We’ve also tanked runs with three absolutely huge pumpers who melt everything, peel for you, interrupt, avoid the avoidable damage, and it’s a night and day experience.
Everyone has felt that difference, DPS just have a far greater capacity to carry a run than the Tank or Healer.
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That’s a very common occurence called:
DPS players not doing their jobs properly.
Matter of fact I just failed another 17 because a DPS body pulled and everyone ate tentacles at Stradama. I am eager to hear how you are going to say it’s my fault because that’s most likely where your response is going to go.
This x 1000.
M+ is just easier in every way when you have competent DPS.
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On a +17, 1 wipe, even on a tyrannical boss, shouldn’t cost the key.
But don’t worry. It’s not your fault.
Nah, that’s not exactly accurate. I’ve ran into plenty of tanks who admitted they don’t know how to dps in keys if they switched specs. Bad dps will definitely hold runs back.
In order to tank you have to know how to dps in a key.
A tank has to do there rotation just as much as any dps. It’s in fact just as important if not more so than a dps to do there rotation correctly as a tank as a tanks rotation is not only directly tied to there dps and there threat it’s directly tied to there survival.
If said tanks don’t know how to dps if they swaped it’s only due to them not yet opening icyviens to learn the rotation that they also had to do when learning to tank. So sosaris point stands anyone that can tank can be a dps and slide by as every single tank is already doing exactly that and more as no tank is not doing what a dps is doing there rotation.
While tanks have to int stun Use CD and Cc just as much as any dps in fact the tanks are more likly to already be doing it as when not done norm the tank takes the blunt of it.
There is not a single thing a dps dose a tank dosent also have to do while tanking. Other than following the tank oh wait tanks need to do that also in a way they have to make sure they never out rangeing or losing the healer it’s not only on the healer as such no there also being aware of there pos related to healer as much as dps are releated to the tank.
Yes bad dps will hold a run back, a Baddie regardless of role will hold a run back but a bad dps will hold a run back less than a equally bad tank or worse a bad healer, but that dosent change that everything a dps dose your tank also needs to do and more. As such no tank won’t be able to play a dps with at least equal skill assuming equal effort is put in.
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We wiped twice, Pride was up when the DPS pulled 4 mobs with him so there was no way out of it.
The challenge lies on finding competent teammates I gotta say.
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That just shows that they havn’t played their dps spec before. If they did switch and tried to learn, I am sure they can do it. I have never played ret and I am sure I would be garbage at first, but can do well if I wanted to. My point was that anyone who wanted to dps can, given they put in the time and effort. I’m not saying its some sort of innate ability. However, not everyone who wants to tank will be able to tank well.
I dunno, I have never enjoyed playing melee DPS and I am sure I would be terrible at it because I hate chasing after mobs, especially when you’ve got a fidgety tank.
One of the reasons I play druid is because I can offspec to balance and not have to deal with that.
When you’re tanking the mobs come to you rather than you having to follow them.
For sure I’m in the same boat. Like you said though, if you wanted to go Balance, I am sure you can do well if you put in the effort to learn the spec.
There really isn’t anything actually special about tanking itself to have that effect.
If you’re trying to describe the idea that people often try and abdicate any responsibility or leadership role onto the tank, that’s a different problem entirely, but the role of tanking doesn’t really have anything special built in.