so tldr you complain you get insane damage more than any other class atm but cry you have defensives you dont use properly? k
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FDks beg to differ
FROST DKS HAVE ENTERED THE CHAT
I main DH, but also play a ton of FDK, Ret and Arms.
DH defensives are pretty bad. On par with FDK, but I think DH edges out fdk for worse defensives. DH flops alot easier than dk for sure.
IMO dh needs something like: more leech, lower cd on blur, or allow Netherwalk to be used inside stun (so you dont have to trinket/nether). That would be nice.
WHen I play ret and arms, i feel like a god.
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im not great at the game and just really started pushing arena/rss. its really lobby dependent for me. some classes just destroy me, and some i have to rely on dampening to win. Arms warriors are hit or miss. Hunters dont seem to give me a lot of problems if i train them. id say mages give me the most issues. im also not a glad player and just hit duelist for the first time, i always save my blurs for tshot goes, meld for rof, backflip for rogue goes etc.
you dont have to be MVQ to have an opinion on your class. And it doesnt take a gladiator to see and understand a class’s shortcomings. Thats always the first thing the forum people do is try and tear you aprart because you arent a multi glad, so your opinion doesnt count.
What if my house is bigger than yours, do you not get an opinion on houses now? Or if my car is faster than yours, do you not get a say in how vehicles operate? Its ridiculous.
Anyway- great job on 2.1 its a big deal. dont sell yourself short. Statistically speaking, you actually ARE great at the game. like top 5% of wow pvpers.
Just because one class has an issue doesn’t mean another doesn’t.
Frost DKs have their own threads and their own problems. I do not undermine any of the issues Frost DKs have.
It doesn’t change much. Uptime doesn’t equal mobility. Warrior has less mobility than DH, but a lot more uptime. Warrior doesn’t sit every fear, root, can reflect incoming CC etc. Difference is if you decide to delete a DH, it won’t take that much effort. If you decide to focus down a Warrior, it’s a long, grueling, and often pointless process.
Same applies for Windwalker monks. Let’s go through 5+ different buttons until we can actually kill the guy. Nah, just focus something else.
PvP kill targets are chosen based on how squishy they are or how much problems they can cause if left alone (mostly for casters). The very fact you can somewhat easily line/ignore a Mage or Warlock or Moonkin and just wait till the DH has blur on CD and delete him is problematic.
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NGL I disagreed with your first post but you brought up some points.
Because MVQ is actually good at demon hunter lol
If you’re talking about next patch then you missed out even more passives, 20% more armor, 5% less physical damage, 15% hp bladedance shield (if team mate has MS), elysian spawns soul frag heals, +4% vers.
I assumed you were talking about this patch since DHs are looking to be actually op broken in 10.2.
It won’t change much. The Blade dance shield is not good design, these 1-2 second walls don’t help out when you get continuously trained. I’d rather get a charge of blur instead of all of those together.
More than “actually good” he’s arguably the best DH in the world. Him and Trenacetate (illidangodx). That doesnt mean other DH’s arent good though. Tom Brady or Pat Mahomes are elite quarterbacks. Does that mean a Div 1 qb sucks and isnt good at football? Ofc not. comparatively speaking that D1 quarterback is better than 99.9% of the planet at football. Same thing goes for 2.1k players. I’m not a fan of people dogging others because of a video game title.
Havoc have 100% up time on whatever target they want. Have you tried using the three abilities you have in order to win the game maybe?
I find it hilarious the amount of you that think DH is poor defensively.
Glimpse is the best ability in the game and needs to be the model for other abilities in the game. The skill ceiling on glimpse is god tier and creates a massive gap between good and bad DHs.
DH in the right hands is borderline immortal if you know how to use glimpse the right way considering it lines up with every DR / go. They are insanely mobile and can do a major part of their damage outside of melee. Glimpsing and wheening while running to buy time makes the class incredibly hard to kill when played well.
I remember when DH was a meme in BFA but nowadays, with how glimpse plays, its defensively arugably the highest skill cap spec in the game.
I really don’t mean this disrespectfully but if you’re dying consistently on DH it’s 100000% a LTP issue.
immortal gets thrown around too much
My issue as a DH is that I don’t have enough for my teammates, 90% of my losses are my teammate dying
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Not all deaths come from “go’s”. Glimpse is a 1-2 second 35% wall (air time is that long, 3 at most if u double jump, platform etcs).
Glimpse is a good talent to avoid stuns. Literally nothing else. Maybe the ocassional Cyclone spams from Druids or some warlock coil. And it’s alright if DH is easily killable in stuns. That’s just legit counterplay.
The problem is DH is easily killable outside of stuns to literal pve dmg. Some MM hunter presses Rapid fire and you lose 60% of your HP as if you’re some Mage. It isn’t really a “go” to get hit by random 200k crits and have nothing decent except Blur to press for that.
Even the best DH players such as Mvq and Tren oftentimes simply just die despite their kiting or whatever. Just die to random piss pve dmg. And oftentimes that happens while having healers which aren’t even bad.
As I said before in the thread, the game is loaded with CC and outplaying one thing doesn’t mean you won’t die right after if you have no answers.
So what if you Glimpse a stormbolt? Shockwave into 200k hits into dying
So what if you Glimpse a kidney shot? Cheap shot spam into dead
So what if you Glimpse a leg sweep? Some random Rshaman or Hpriest will stun you anyway and you will die under 2 seconds to the monk’s burst.
I can give a lot more examples but I don’t want to write a novel here. Whoever thinks DH is every remotely decent at surviving as a toolkit either never played it or never tried to kill one. Because it isn’t hard to kill one. Just try and come back with results 
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So does everyone else, regardless of armor value. lmao
That’s just the state of the game. I don’t care if you’re an Aug with Blistering Scales or a boomy in bear form, a brainless MM will chunk you down.
Also now you know how everyone else feels against DH’s absurd chaos damage. Enjoy your free rating in 10.2.
Are we OP in 10.2? i havent even looked. I know pushing 2.1 wasnt easy for me nad i have a ton of grey hair now. im also old af
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I’ve always played a lot of DH and the spec feels like it has a ton of outplay and live potential assuming you use things properly at the right times.
Adding Rain from above to immune bolts / as an additional defensive plus immunity frame on meta.
Complaining that DH gets owned by Marks / Sub / Feral isn’t really much of a reasonable stance to take on why DH is bad; every spec has things it’s weak in to.
At the end of the day DH is by no means a spec that will compete in AWC in the current state of the game but it’s absolutely really good defensively.
The argument that is has nothing to press defensively just isn’t true because you’re thinking narrowly about the “one cd” you have like an average player.
- Blur
- Pre Dark
- Reversing Healers
- Glimpse
- Nether
- Meta immunity frames
- Rain immunity frames
- More mobility than other melee to perma kite including felblading to their healers to kite
- 3 DR’s at your disposal at all times including 2 different stuns make it really easy to slow the game down when your healer is in CC.
- Understanding that eye beam / meta / hunt are also defensive CD’s, not just offensive ones. Knowing how to get defensive value out of eye beam when you need to.
- Not just instantly killing demon when it procs. Holding it for damage or when you know your healer is off DR soon and will need the healing.
There are so many things DH can do to livelord you just aren’t playing the spec properly because you’re average and think you have “one button” (blur).