I was just replaying the Ohn’ahran Plains campaign on a Shaman and thinking about the fact that my character is a member of the Earthen Ring and yet this new group of Shaman-like elemental wielders, come out of nowhere with a fully in place hierarchy that includes training and indoctrination systems… so where did they come from and how did the Earthen Ring and the elements they work with not know about this?
Probably rehashing the act of beating a dead horse, but I can hope.
This is everything we know.
Thanks, and sadly that’s barely a rough outline of an idea.
The orignal primalist army was the Incarnates, tassarek, mortals, and the primal dragons who were against the ordering of their kin.
Though with the announcement of the World Soul Saga, it does explain why we never got an explanation on why the titans were supposedly evil, seems blizz was saving it for their newest saga.
I’d personally like to know how this organization survived all this time. The time frame is vast, and these people seemed to have gone unnoticed… while recruiting and training followers.
It’d be nice to have stories about the rogue “Shaman” or other elemental users who were part of some cult, even if the connection was vague. I can see an argument for the idea that no one ever put the pieces together, but I’d rather see the effort such an organization would have gone to remain hidden and yet functional.
They really didn’t survive more than these new crop of primalists probably learned from Razsagath about the orignal army and their fight against the titans and started calling themselves primalists.
Sometimes cults like the primalists do die for a while until a bunch of crazies years later restart them. And after BfA and SL? Along with the time skip? That’s a lot of time for people to build up resentment about how things were being handled and how things were going to make some of them want to join a group that promised change.
This alone is a good point.
Yeah, I suppose 5+ years is sufficient to train these up and with how they seem willing to overload each other/themselves… well training is probably functional and little else.
Within the context of the later bits this hits even more solidly. IIRC the prison Razsagath was confined in was weakening… 
I suppose those receptive to her call could have listened, just impressive no one else heard it and investigated.
Those who did were likely either killed or converted once they managed to find the dragon isles. Would help to explain why the primalists were able to imbed themselves on the isles without anyone raising the alarms
The presence of a Grimtotem leading them at the beginning almost seemed to suggest the Primalists’ return might have something to do with Magatha and her penchant for treating the elements like just a tool despite being a shaman, or perhaps even the involvement of some of the more malevolent elementals who aren’t about seeking balance or staying at home in the Elemental Plane, but then nothing more came of it after his death in the first raid and the agency of the elements themselves ended up only manifesting in the form of Smolderon and the Firelands seemingly being duped by Fyrakk and the Druids of the Flame into getting involved near the end of Amirdrassil.
Honestly between Iridikron’s activities, the Shadowflame, the Druids of the Flame and the forthcoming related Harbinger stuff, it ends up coming across like the whole thing may have amounted to the Primalist movement just being revived and then manipulated into releasing the Incarnates by agents of the Void. There’s even a quest in the Emerald Dream campaign in which the player convinces some Primalists to abandon the cause, suggesting along with Fyrakk’s behavior that by the time of 10.2, the whole Primalist agenda had been thoroughly hijacked by the more outwardly malevolent Druids of the Flame (led by a holdover from the time of Cataclysm no less, back when they were basically an arm of the Twilight’s Hammer) and its members were becoming rapidly disillusioned with the whole thing between Raszageth’s death, Fyrakk’s priorities changing, Iridikron’s disappearance and Vyranoth’s defection.
It’s just Danuser and his team trying to reinvent the wheel. Again
They wanted a plot with the Twilight’s Hammer but they thought they could make a better Twilight’s Hammer.
So what they did, is that they took base concept of the Twilight’s Hammer and… called it something different.
there is a bunch of taurens mobs, maybe they were fed up with baine
Hell we saw exactly that with the Druids of the Flame.
You can even consider the three ogre stooges from the Twilights Hammer attempting to kickstart that cult again with the Worldbreakers.
Most likely by the Harbinger herself.
It’s just where you go if you were part of the twilights hammer and you survived cata and bfa and haven’t given up on the whole destroying the world thing.