Might have been lost on you, but here a shocking new : WoW has become a character-driven game. The lost of characters far outweight any population loses, since, y’know, population, and numbers in general, haven’t mattered in this game at all.
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And you complain about the Alliance losing it’s themes to the Horde. 
Depends if blizzard wants me as a paying customer. I didn’t do jack to deserve such treatment. Blizzard used my faction and dragged it through the mud twice so it could have its faction war without so much as staining the edge of the Alliance’s pristine whiteness. Hell they even whitewashed the Alliance further.
I think my experience as a horde player has been abused enough for the sake of the story with no real pay off outside playing the villain. Perhaps if they had bothered to actually give the Horde a reason to fight the Alliance in the first place or made the war less morally one sided or even bothered to pay any real attention to the Horde outside of when it is being set up or used as a villain’s platform I might be more incline to take ‘punishment’ outside of that for the sake of the narrative. However since Blizzard failed to deliver on one of those things I don’t see why I should be screwed over just so the Alliance players can be satisfied. That would be Blizzard treating Horde players as second class players.
You said the same thing about Darkshore and everyone told you they would give it back to the NEs. Lo and behold that is exactly what happened.
Trade isn’t much use if you don’t have much to trade.
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The horde areas should have decent mining opportunities and Mulgore / the barrens should have at least some potential for farming
Love the prompt, though maybe original idea was a bit one sided. Also as a side note: Varian is a dust pile. What he said is kinda null and void.
Anywho… Im trying to go for a mix of lore appropriate and mechanically doable. We still want contested zones of course, we want the factions to be able to quest in shared zones, etc, while giving everyone what they want.
Kalimdor:
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Night Elf resettlement/capital reconstruction in Mt. Hyjal. Unless yall really want to regrow Teldrassil
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Winterspring would become the new “10-20” zone, and Felwood an Alliance exclusive/heavy contested zone, the “20-30” zone, as its all connected by land routes
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Darkshore becomes a neutral/contested zone being put back together by Cenarian Circle and Earthen Ring, Sentinels are of course always watchful. A lot needs fixing.
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Ashenvale is largely Night Elf and Dreanei controlled, the first real “Alliance” zone rather than Night Elf. The southern road that connects Northern Barrens to Azshara is heavily contested and fought over.
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Moonglade is still Druids in the heart of Night Elf land.
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- Stonetalon stays about the same. Night Elves and Draenei in the north, Horde in the south. Regrowing Windshear Crag after all of the goblin clear cutting and Horde and Alliance fighting. Windshear Hold situated north to defend the path into Ashenvale, Krom’gar Fortress (renamed) stays where it is.
- Tauren restoration of Desolace with the Cenarian Circle.
- Night Elf reclamation of Dire Maul with tauren tribes growing and flourishing in the rest of Feralas.
- Tauren reclamation of Southern Barrens, removal of Northwatch Hold and Honors Stand turning both into Horde hard points. Flat removal of Fort Triumph and Beal Modan. Perhaps an Alliance trading or diplomatic post.
- Theramore can be rebuilt and held by Kul’tiras under ever watchful eye of the Horde, similar to Darkshore.
- Everything Thousand Needles and south is a crap shoot for faction control. Thousand Needles should be Tauren focused.
- Tanaris should have some Troll focus in the Horde attempting to bring the Farakki into the fold. Success not guaranteed similar to Alliance and old Scarlet Monastery.
- Who cares about the rest. Keep it the same, new quests, get creative.
- And of course Exodar, Azurmyst, and Bloodmyst updates for God’s sake.
Eastern Kingdoms:
- Blight, unless told otherwise, should be cleared out fairly easily. Southshore seems to be miscalculation in strain. A lot will be reconstruction of Tirisfal. Brill rebuilt, and Scarlet Monastery given to RAS or The Cult of Forgotten Shadow. A piece of good will among all races that practice.
- Silverpine is mostly fine. Rebuilding for more civilian use. Greymane wall and a Forsaken border will be heavily militarized with a no mans land in between. Shadowfang Keep likely being the Forsaken’s military bastion near it.
- Gilneas back to the Worgen under full control.
- Hillsbrad/Alterac can stay the same as is now, Forsaken controlled contested zone as Felwood would be.
- WPL shored up with more Forsaken influence brushing up against the Argent Crusade/Dawn (whatever they want to call themselves now).
More zones/details
- EPL increasing Forsaken/Blood Elf influence in the north, Cenarian Circle and Argents attempting to repair the land. Stratholm… we’ll figure it out later. Still on fire.
- Arathi has a lot more human/Alliance influence. The Kingdom of Arathor being rebuilt.
- Revantusk tribe spreading further into the Hinterlands. Expanding their village into a proper port with taking Jintha’Alor and/or winning the Vilebranch to the Horde with Zandalari rule to enforce peace and compliance. Night Elves/Cenarian Circle in Seradane. Wildhammer gonna Wildhammer.
- The Dwarven zones stay largely the same. Dun Murogh to Wetlands.
- Twilight Highlands still contested between Dragonmaw and Wildhammer. Dragonmaw brought fully back into the Horde.
- Badlands, Searing Gorge, Burning Steppes the same. More Dark Iron presence. Fix up and expand New Kargath back into old Kargath. Maybe some Mag’har Blackrocks having a post somewhere in Searing Gorge/Burning Steppes.
- Just update the human areas. Elwynn, Redridge, Westfall, Duskwood.
- Deadwind Pass into a full Kirin Tor zone. Try to breath a little life into it too.
- Swamp of Sorrows similar to Dustwallow. Stonard is kept, though mostly moved to the coast with a small outpost where it is. Mostly for diplomatic ties while removing the possibility of using it to choke access to Blasted Lands.
- Rebuilt/fortified Blasted Lands under Horde and Alliance as a mutual venture. Continue its front line/watch role over the Dark Portal.
- Strong Horde presence in Stanglethorn, Alliance camps/posts scattered in the north. Cape of Stranglethorn Goblin/Pirate with a hint of trolls loosing ground.
- Of course update Silvermoon, Eversong, Ghostlands.
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If the horde keep all of the post cata pre bfa zones (not unreasonable) than I think the alliance should get at least darkshore plus ashenvale and hopefully gilenas back.
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Darkshore was just coincidence, it could’ve very well been horde territory, you act like it was self explanatory that the night elves would get their blighted lands back as if they ever got something in the history of WoW.
Logically it would make sense for the Night Elves to have Ashenvale back but nothing in these writers heads makes sense so I want an actual confirmation on it.
Though I, too, would like confirmation that the Night Elves got Ashenvale back, at this point I almost take anything Ëlësåna doubts as positive indication towards likelihood, just like what happened with Darkshore, as you pointed out.
Generally speaking I like the idea of an “Anti-Cata Expansion”.
There is something cathartic about the idea that the NEs would full invest in reinforcing their Northern Kalimdor Holdings. Center their entire civilization back around Teldrassil; turn Winterspring into the NE Zone it was always meant to be; finally make some headway in healing Felwood; Darkshore; and Ashenvale. It almost makes a spiral moving outwards around Nordrassil. Gilneas goes back to the Gilneans, and perhaps add Silverpine and Hillsbrad to Arathi for zones the Alliance picks up. Stromgarde is turned into a full fledged city as well.
In contrast, Tirisfall, Western Plaguelands, Eastern Plaguelands, and the still unused “Northern Lordaeron” zone go to the Forsaken. Scarlet Monastery, Scholomance, and Stratholme all get repurposed into some amazing Forsaken oriented land. I would honestly love to see Stratholme itself turned into a full fledged Forsaken capital; including its apparent large harbor it canonically has … so the Forsaken can start exploiting the opportunities the destruction of the Helm of Domination really allows. The Horde picks up Stonetalon, Desolace, and Dustwallow on Kalimdor.
Alterac remains as it is; Feralas remains as it is.
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I agree with everything you said except this. Stonetalon and Dustwallow should remain as is. Horde can pick up Desolace, Thousand Needles, and Un’Goro.
The NEs barely have a presence in Stonetalon since Cata, especially after the destruction of the grove. And considering that the only real access point into Desolace from the mainland is in fact Stonetalon or Faralas … then the Horde will need a major presence in one of the two to some effect. Or are you suggesting that the Alliance gets to make sure that getting into the one territory you don’t care about is as insufferably inconvenient to get to as possible?
We also already have Thousand Needles. I get you invalidate the Tauren ancestral lands as them “not using it” because they’re nomadic … the Thousand Needles is already Tauren Territory … even if it is in the hands of the Grimtotem. Also, what is the reason we can’t have Dustwallow Marsh? And if we’re getting Ungoro, then we get Tanaris too right? Considering we have Sand Trolls apparently falling in line behind the Zandalari and Darkspear in Shadowlands?
I think zones like ungoro tanaris and the plague lands should remain neutral Azeroth is big enough that it does not need to be entirely covered in horde and alliance territory.
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So … all the zones that the Horde could possibly pick up need to remain neutral, while the Alliance gets to pick up and regain a ton of territories?
Jeez … the Alliance playerbase really just does nothing but push as aggressively as possible to return to the glory days of Vanilla. Where the Alliance held like 70 percent of the World and were the only faction with relevance after level 40 content.
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I never argued the alliance should pick up tons of territory
gilneas and arathi for ally + stonetallon and thousand needles for horde would be ok
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It’s simple, as long as it’s something positive for the night elves, it’s unlikely to happen. They couldn’t even be bothered to let us know who won Darkshore, if nobody asked it at the Q&A we would’ve never known.
Um… Night Elves gained more visible presence in Stonetalon with the Cataclysm revamp than they had in Classic with Windsheer Hold, Thal’darah Overlook, and Farwatcher’s Glen. And they definitely should get Stonetalon Peak back.
A new one can be made directly from Mulgore.
Freewind Post is no longer in the hands of the Grimtotem. The Night Elves were even involved in helping the friendly Tauren get it back in the Cataclysm revamp. But the Tauren could use more quests there than the dumb ones like making ice cream from Silithids.
Theramore. That would be as disrespectful as giving the Alliance a town on top of the ashes of Camp Taurajo.
Sure. Share it with the Steamwheedle same as the Night Elves would share Winterspring with them and I see no problem with that.
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Pretty much what I thought, the Horde simply needs to remain as convenient for the Alliance as possible to justify its existence.
Man … there would be so many interesting, nuanced stories if Blizz actually cared about resources. The Kalimdor Horde is now attempting to support 5 different groups of people in what amounts to some of the harshest territories in all of Azeroth. So harsh, that even the NEs didnt want them. But, in order to be “good” the Horde has to instead import the most basic of resources from halfway across the world, from people who also need to tiptoe around the Alliance to “play nice”. Which is why we cannot move into Dustwallow, because people in need need to ensure that they let an entire region of the world remain empty out of respect for the military garrison they destroyed.
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is dust wallow really all that useful I doubt the alliance would contest if the horde moved in now that theramore is gone. it was mainly useful for the alliance as a port
TBH, a lot of the Horde’s resource issues could be solved with them being allowed access to the largely scourge-cleaned continent of Northrend. We wouldn’t need to expand into historically “neutral” or “Alliance” territories to meet their needs. We also need to do something about Durotar and the Barrens to make them more supportive of larger populations; which Horde Druids and Shamans could facilitate.
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Maybe Los Angeles Orgrimmar shouldn’t have been founded in a desert.
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I don’t think thats particularly fair
orcs didn’t have much choice
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