I guess it would’ve been too hard to let us know that the fighting had to stop because Sylvanas is using the souls of the war’s dead to empower herself and that unknown type of magic, even though that probably would’ve been a more interesting setup for the armistice.
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From a gameplay standpoint it was to make sure Theramore existed in Southern Kalimdor to give Alliance players access to Southern Kalimdor. Same reason why Stonard is rebuilt into an actual city.
I’d personally keep the Forsaken in Lordaeron and have them more focus on rebuilding Stratholme and Lordaeron than dealing with the Alliance directly. In fact, none of my ideas outside big Red and Blue moments mentioned like Nethergarde or the two cities, involve any particular race crossing with the other faction.
I want there to be peace and both sides working to keep that peace, but I still want them to be separated.
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One thing I didn’t mention in my iriginal post:
- Ashenvale and Darkshore are mostly occupied by the Nelf military, while the civillians live in the mountains, so that they may forget the Horde is a thing that exists
This.
They’ve made it clear on several occasions that they considered the Cataclysm revamp to be a lot of time and resources spent for not much gained in return. With the way leveling is being handled in Legion, the old world is going to have even less relevance and impact than it did before, so it seems unlikely that the old world will ever reflect in game losses or gains by the factions mentioned in quest text or by tweets ever again.
You sure about that? The Alliance withdraws from a few ugly muddy zones and instead take over all of the Eastern Kingdoms save a small corner in the north and the Horde gives up everything north of Orgrimmar? Unless there are some major build up and revamp of those zones beyond just the Alliance withdrawing I’d hardly call that a fair trade.
Just because your dead king said a thing that doesn’t mean it was ever realistically going to happen, and not just for gameplay reasons. The Alliance ‘dismantled’ the Horde since before and it just led to the current version of the Horde being created.
If the story was consistent there would only be a pocket of Night Elves engaged in burials warfare and the entirety of the Forsaken would be building a new capital in Darkshore out of Treant corpses.
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For Dustwallow my main idea is have some Forsaken settle in it. Just as with some Night Elves settling in Duskwood, they’d be trying to leave the conflicts of the Eastern Kingdoms behind and build a new life closer to their allies
Also swamps tap for black mana so there’s that
not a fan of giving theramore to the forsakens but if that means that we take lordaeron, hey i take it.
but that would simply be not fair.
I’d rather not go get involved with Theramore anymore, personally. It was a monument to Jaina’s attempt at peace… And the Horde blew it all up. So let it remain in ruins as a reminder.
Though I guess there is some poetry in Derek taking it over.
I dunno if Daelin’s ghost would also take him on a boat ride.
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i mean. in one hand i agree with you but in the other we have to deal with the fact that we cannot punish the horde anymore because is a playable faction so it would be nice if we can actually rebuild it so i don’t have a burning hatred for the faction that half the playerbase plays.
i try to be positive!
derek settling in there could be interesting if he is going to have a role in the future.
And I can’t tell which one is worse
Doing nothing with him after spending time and resources on his story
Or keeping him around and wasting more time on him
Why couldn’t they just keep him as ashes spread all over the ocean
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why do you think that it would be bad for him or us to be in the story?
i mean after all the problem that we had for him being a key peace of the war.
you know, the retcons and stuff.
So the deed is done, he is not longer ashes and he returned to his family.
What are going to do with him?
maybe a storyline of him trying to be accepted by the kultirans?
He feels like he’ll be an asset for the Forsaken, not the Alliance.
What purpose would he even have in the Alliance? Jaina is Lord Admiral, and he’s an immortal corpse.
Also I fear they may just use him to keep spitting on Daelin’s grave as if they hadn’t enough.
Maybe it has something to do with that calia storyline and the undead being re-accepted in the alliance, idk.
I’m finding it entertaining reading what people see as “fair” trades.
“We get everything and you lose everything…except this one zone that no one cares about. Take that. Fair!”
The reality is that the whole point of Cataclysm was to even out zone distribution. If your proposal doesn’t reflect that going forward, then good luck with that. It ain’t gonna happen. There’s a reason BfA resulted in status quo, with each side losing exactly one zone and one capital.
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Like it ir not, your faction has major reparations to pay after destroying no less than 3 Alliance cities outright.
Oh and sure, bring up the fact that you lost a few warchiefs. What is like, 3 characters compared to millions who have died at the Horde’s hands?
and now it’s uneven again because the horde got ashenvale but the alliance didn’t get any other zone
The horde didn’t get anything
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As long as blizz hasn’t clearly stated that Ashenvale is in night elf hands again I’m not going to be satisfied merely by assuming that they got it back.
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I would just add that if we’re pushing the Horde into areas that have little in the way of resources, I’d like to see trade negotiations for both goods and knowledge between the kaldorei and the tauren – they’re only representatives of the Horde I think could hold successful negotiations with the kaldorei – so that the Horde isn’t left trying to scrape a living out of wastelands. That will lead to more war. People won’t be kept confined to a place where they can’t raise their children without threat of starvation.
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The Broken Isles and Zandalar seem to have plenty to offer
And if the Cenarion Circle hasn’t recovered Desolace by now they’re a bunch of charlatans
Depending on how much the horde keeps in loarderon and I would assume they’re going to end up with most of what they had pre war they do have some ressources without ashenvale.