The ones who are overpowered but they need a nerf. So does Anduin anyone see a scary similarity to Medan. Shudders
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Looking cute Farnath
Jaina is extremely powerful, and can do whatever the plot demands. Khadgar is the same. Mages in general are OP.
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Nerf mages. #sarcasm
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Oh you talking about my blood elf change why thank you
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Well thatâs because a mage doesnât depend on things like faith or loyalty to something. Their power is only limited by their skill and their own willpower. There really isnât a limit to how powerful a mage can be.
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I love how folks still use Medâan as some kind of yardstick for character OPness despite how Jaina continues to perform far greater feats than him, like subconsciously levitating a galleon with arcane cannons and freezing over an entire battlefield and a large portion of the ocean.
And people are still, like, âMan, Medâan is the most OP character in the franchise.â Even though he didnât really do much aside from being conceived of Medivhs magic seed and defeated Choâgall(with help).
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Anduin is hardly OP. Heâs just a Light priest and not even the strongest one at that. People like Velen and Alonsus Faol are quite more skilled and experienced than him. Nor is he the greatest warrior either.
Thereâs nothing like Medâanâs story. Although Medâan actually did receive a nerf, his becoming Guardian was removed. So heâs strong, but not like a demigod anymore.
There has been a limit and also side effects. Case and point blood elfâs and night borne. But it seems whenever humans do anything the negatives are ignored.
Letâs be honest there, blizzard are very inconsistent. They make whoever they want, do whatever they want, when they want it. So yes I do think blizzard needs to fix their story and stop using mages for everything and anything.
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Couldnât agree more. Jaina is the most op character in wow and it doesnât even explain how she became so powerful. Or what her limits are.
Blizzard plays fast and loose with characters power levels a lot, and they are not consistent.
The only thing Iâd say Anduin has done that might be OP is calling the Light into the Maw to block a spell from the Jailer himself. And yet I think his power is less than of Velen or Alonsus (not sure how powerful Turalyon is with the Light).
Jaina seems OP at times, though there is a hint of limits to her power. Khadgar seems to be her equal in magic and Azshara could wipe the floor with both of them - Azshara was able to block her teleportation in Najzatar.
The only trend Iâve been able to observe is that power levels seem to spike regardless of lore whenever the devs try to give âcool pointsâ to a character (Sylvanas, Garrosh and Illidan being some of the worst offenders after Meâdan).
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Khadgar has performed as many feats of raw power as Jaina, most of hers have been basic mage things, but escalated, or boosted by some magical trinket or somesuch. The most overt thing sheâs done is make the boat fly which⌠well, Dalaran floats permanently and in canon is likely much, much larger than her ship. They donât have mage interns in the basement constantly powering that, presumably itâs a once and done deal. Hell, I remember in WoD, people were saying Khadgar was way more powerful than Jaina due to how much stuff he did, back when her only claim to fame was dropping Blizzards in the wrong place in SoO.
In the WoD intro alone Khadgar pulls off more powerful feats of magecraft than Jaina has. But sheâs always been the target of OP complaints because she says mean things about the Horde, or did.
If anything, itâs not the friendly NPCs that need to be toned down in power, itâs the villains. Power levels need to be reset across the board so it makes sense that our characters can actually beat them, and the big lore characters like Jaina should be parked in their cities actually leading for a bit so we donât need to worry about whether or not theyâre OP.
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Jaina started doing things in BFA that she hasnât done before though. Sheâs been doing incredibly major feats since the attack on Undercity when she had the ship float and has been since. She froze a large portion of the ocean, she sure couldnât do that before. Cdev watched Frozen during Legion and overcompensated when they brought Jaina back. Itâs annoying.
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If Khadgar was doing âbig magicâ it usually had some ritual requirement in time or resources. The bigger problem is writers/devs insist on telling us how fantastic she is.
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Jaina was always suppose to be the most powerful mage of the Alliance, in fact possibly of all humanity: https://youtu.be/mBaKIRamLmE?t=562
Considering we are talking about Velen, he single handedly created an entire light barrier could disintagrate any demon who tried to enter. I think anyone powerful enough with the light could have stopped the Jailerâs magic.
Saying mages are powerful isnât totally correct either. I mean, Medivh was killed by Lothar. A powerful warrior but just a warrior.
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Youâve clearly not played the intro in a while or are âforgettingâ for the sake of your point. In the intro without any real prep, or whatever prep is afforded as the player does the quest preceding it, which can be less than a minute in many cases, Khadgar:
- Disassembles a tank with a spell.
- Teleports large masses of people instantly multiple times.
- Freezes an army of Orcs.
- Nukes a bridge.
- Destroys a dam.
- Collapses a huge cave entrance.
- Goes toe to toe with the Iron Horde after all of that.
- Creates an Arcane wall that holds back the entire enemy force long enough for people to get on boats.
This is before the rest of his feats in WoD and then of course in Legion, the latter of which heâs shown resisting a Dreadlordâs influence and then flat out one-shotting him. He was also around and a central figure for longer than Jaina in terms of being the âBig Mageâ. All of WoD, and all of Legion, compared to Jaina being present in two thirds of BfA and maybe a third of Shadowlands.
Khadgar, and Illidan even, have magical and sheer power feats in excess to Jaina, and are far more present, but Jainaâs a woman and was âdivisiveâ so people arenât able to be objective when it comes to her.
Also Iâm pretty sure the âwow so powerful, much mageâ shtick only happened explicitly in the SL intro, the rest was just implied. If that single instance is enough to warrant a problem, you must also have similar issues with Turalyon, Illidan, Varian, Malfurion, Thrall, and so on, right?
Edit: Khadgar can also manipulate time, something Jaina has never been shown as capable of doing to a marked degree.
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Imma stop you right there.
How fast a person can progress through the quests has no bearing on the way the narrative presents how fast Khadgar can get these spells off and itâs incredibly nonsensical of youâre tryna argue that it does somehow.
I can disassemble a tank with spells too. Heck, I can disassemble a tank with knives or a stick of I wanted to.
Which most mages in lore can do
Which in both instances, took a considerable period of time to channel.
Wow, he blew up a small bridge? Itâs not like any basic concussive spell or explosive can do that.
Which also took a long time to do. Presumably multiple spellcasts as we see in his animations.
Alot of characters can collapse a cave entrance.
With covering fire from the player character, the assistance of several other powerful Azerothian and Draenor figures, their forces, and the slaves we just armed.
Which requires him to channel it.
What point are you tryna prove with all this exactly? Khadgar is a powerful mage.
Wow, heâŚ.killed a random dreadlord?
Anduin does that too in Son of the Wolf lol, itâs really not the feat of strength you seem to think it is.
Yeah, he was the âbig mageâ but he was doing pretty standard mage things. He wasnât out performing literal reality defying feats.
They do not, none of which that are anywhere near the absurdity of Jainaâs hijinks within the last two expansions.
Iâll eat my words when you show me a time when Illidan blew up the Frozen Throne with fel magic or Khadgar freezing a portion of the Ocean to a point so cold at which not only ships are literally stuck in suspended motion and but produces ice hard enough to support the weight of an army and the concussive force of incendiaries being detonated on its surface.
Has nothing to do with her being a woman and you know it, kindly get outta here with that crap.
Did youâŚ.not play BfA?
Not a single one of those characters performed any sort of feats comparable to Jaina without external powerups aside from Malf, who has yet to display that level of power again since.
Seems really dumb to try go down this whole argument path âhur dur, people just single out Jaina cuz sheâs a whaman.â when itâs been made abundantly clear sheâs displayed far greater feats of power within the last 2 expansions than any single one of these other characters you mentioned in over a decade.
But I guess just continue ignoring the issue and deflecting it as merely prejudice against women.
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Look I tend to find it a little weird when people call out Jaina for being overpowered all the time and then see Illidan âLook Mom, All Fel Magicâ Stormrage catch Turaylonâs very holy sword with his bare hand and seems to get less guff about it. Or Thrall wiping out the collective crews of a whole fleet of Alliance ships, or hell, fighting a Jaina explicitly powered up by one of the strongest Arcane relics in the lore to a standstill, again, without power ups. Or Gulâdan calling down a Fel Reaver on steroids in 0.5 seconds (guess he had Fel Domination up) without breaking a sweat, immediately followed by Varian one shotting said Fel Reaver and rolling to his feet relatively gassed but unharmed.
Jainaâs the only one where saying âmaybe sheâs not that OP guysâ seems to elicit such a strong reaction. Also you fixated pretty heavily on my mentioning sheâs a woman as one possible cause, and ignored my point that itâs also because she says mean things about the Horde.
If the time to complete a quest has no bearing on canon spellcasting time then that kind of negates the entire point on both ends, doesnât it? Hell, your entire post is basically reducing the power Khadgar has shown for the sake of your argument, in an incredibly biased way. I just take issue with people who have selective goldfish brain when it comes to the lore, I remember in WoD when people thought that Khadgar was stronger than Jaina.
The only difference was that he benefited from the better storytelling tools that Blizzard brought forth in WoD, and the same can be said for Jaina. At worst itâs because sheâs been in the spotlight, (again, not as long as Khadgar) and thus got a lot of Rule of Cool tossed at her. Even the freezing the ocean thing was more akin to Blizzard not understanding how physics works. I mean, Khadgar can freeze time, can Jaina freeze time? No, no she canât.
Certainly I think other characters should be buffed or have more powerful moments, but Jainaâs far from an outlier in the âwait what?â bracket of lore feats.
Jeez, you mention that itâs a little odd that itâs only the female lore character that gets bonked with the OP accusation most often and people break the sound barrier typing up their 'akshuallyâs. Hopefully when Volâjin comes back heâs insanely powerful so that I can be proven wrong when people surely take issue with it.
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In the case of the Highborne that became High / Blood elves, those in Dire Maul and the Nightborne it is because they became dependent on a massive font of arcane power. Whether that was the original Well of Eternity, the Sunwell or the Nightwell. So when they either lost those or were separated from them, the withdrawal kicked in and messed with them hard. It all stemmed from the OG WoE and how the Highborne basically hogged it for themselves.
iirc Humans have never had something akin to those fonts of arcane magic to become dependent on.
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Because he was, Khadgar was Medivhâs apprentice.
This is whatâs happened. Though Khadgar has been showcased in WoD and Legion, Jaina in BFA and Shadowlands. Theyâve both been given two expansions in a row.