Of course they didn’t. And the reason they didn’t is because they’re nonsensical. But just because one guild had some bad apples doesn’t mean all the good guilds should be punished either. The solution is to either remove personal loot restrictions so we can help our team mates, or to make it so master looter can be an option in 100% guild groups.
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They’ve stagnated our growth of loot and on top of that you want yo re-introduce exclusivity?
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I’m not opposed to guild masterloot of course, but from what I’ve read most of the complaints have to do with pugging which ML has no place in.
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I think it would be better if they found a way to solve that with a system of some kind. For example. Maybe loot drops gave you an option to choose between certain kinds of stats. Ion said though that the reason for master loot being removed was partially to allow the player more agency when doing runs with guilds.
I don’t see how personal loot gives player agency
Its because if you are in guild and they were using master loot, then the decision of who get the loot would usually be up to a GM and many guilds had been often known to have some rather nebulous policies. You may have heard stories of certain guild members always being entitled to certain loot or new players being denied any loot at the beginning or sudden changes in loot rules for guilds. Removing masterloot eliminates the middle men. Due to this, players can feel relatively certain that if they participate in a guild run with someone, they have just as fair a chance at getting it as anyone.
Maybe, but you also loose the ability of the community to self regulate themselves. And as I said, I’m old school in this game. It doesn’t sit well with me seeing someone who maybe a new member getting a bis trinket over someone working hard to ensure the success of the guild.
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You can get the exact same results though if they just removed the trading restriction.
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If they removed the trading restriction then guilds would just force people to hand out loot to other people or risk getting kicked, which goes against the spirit of the new system.
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The cost of ML coming back from a ticket/response perspective is a no starter. Players could not be depended upon to be responsible for their own gaming environment. Couple that with poor leadership, or a total lack of leadership, and it was just a mess.
I’d love for all the restrictions to be lifted for loot trading, but they will not do that because I know, I for one, would immediately go back to the even-handed, zero-drama, distribution system of two-column SK.
One day after trading restrictions being lifted the forums would be flooded with the same issues that ML had: “I joined this thing that said I had to do a thing, and now I’m upset that they did the thing.” Players, overall, just won’t own their environment. So Blizzard needs to step in and do it for the majority of the population.
The spirit of the system is that everyone has an equal shot at loot. If the loot goes to you and you don’t want to give it up then you can just say no. Any guild that’s going to kick you over loot that hit your bags isn’t a guild worth sticking around for.
What’s also being forgotten is the opposite situation where I get a loot drop but I’m not allowed to give it to someone else solely because it’s the highest ilvl I’ve looted for said slot. Even if they’re in my guild and I’m trying to help them with bad RNG. And if the response for that is “tough” then how is that any different then those who are being accused for abusing loot distribtution?
The problem that’s presented is this “Ivory Tower” that makes decisions for everyone? Okay fine. But allow players to make choices in what happens to their loot outside of it getting vendored because it’s of no use to them.
100% agree, just providing my experience with ML and the um… outliers? using it.
A lot of people do. Also, it isn’t coming back so there is that.
that’s exactly what will happen: pugs won’t take a chance if your ilvl/rio is too low, or they’ll boot anybody who fails a mechanic once or can’t hit X dps every pull.
People only do because GD is a Twitter clone where people just have to be negative and disagree with everything…
Master Loot was fine for the first 10+ years of WoW… If your raid leader screwed you out of loot then find another guild. Master Loot would be AWESOME for guilds that actually get along and don’t just invite randos to boost their numbers… (don’t even get me started on that)… Master loot has its place in raiding and Blizz should bring it back… People just arbitrarily against it, are just parroting this forums no culture and likely have no clue how it can even be useful… Done properly it can benefit many, while being something nobody has to worry about if they don’t raid with a guild.
And this person gets it…
Then people like you are why they got rid of ml.
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-50 DKP for you!
You must be one of the clones unless you are trying to speak for others.
Actually, it wasn’t I put in several tickets over the years about loot problems.
I don’t see it having a place anymore since Blizzard resolved the item level problems due to forging.
When I had a guild master looter during Pandaria denying me my BiS trinkets and giving them to the rogue for his off-spec because ‘tanks need block and parry, not haste and crit’ even though I was raiding with them on a brewmaster… I decided I would never again raid with people using that nonsense soon as I could move on. When they sharded the next such item that came up rather than give it to me, I about lost it and decided my ‘move on’ needed haste and crit… 
Master Looter is just a bad idea all around.
If folks want to trade what they got, let them - which they do. But don’t let somebody hog the gear and then decide for themselves who gets a share…
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