Oh i’m sorry do you get to dictate the Alliance i’m a of fan and how i Identify with them. pot meet kettle.
Not going to even bother to correct alot of your retorts as its beside the point.
Your a predictable poster Kyalin, you are very quick to shoot down anyone elses concerns yet won’t face the same critiques. As I stated before I was just proving a point that not all development is good regardless of which race its for and they should put both Humans and Night elves to the Side and develop other races who have been sidelined.
The question was asked about WoW. Follow his rules (only the picture in which you participate is important) and try to beat him there.
And how did the night elves evolve? Yes, we are “gods”, all that … But where is the development? Is the magic back? Accepted Maiev? Did Illidan save the world, nearly ditching it? Magic is questionable, Maiev was already considered our, albeit a refugee, from Illidan it is better to stay away.
Where is our victorious or at least overcoming history? A million stories about the past in which everything exploded. Where is the present?
There was a victory over the dancing trolls. Yes.
The question was asked about WoW. Follow his rules (only the picture in which you participate is important) and try to beat him there.
And how did the night elves evolve? Yes, we are “gods”, all that … But where is the development? Is the magic back? Accepted Maiev? Did Illidan save the world, nearly ditching it? Magic is questionable, Maiev was already considered our, albeit a refugee, from Illidan it is better to stay away.
Where is our victorious story? A million stories about the past in which everything exploded. But where is the present?
There was a victory over the dancing trolls. Yes.
Night Warrior. Causes mixed feelings.
About going aside. What for? Can’t you make an extension that ignores time? To fit a lot of everything at the same time, not “in turn”, but “at the same time”. But it will be presented in turn.
They write complains over Sunwell restoration only, not that Belves have Access to pretty much to everything they had before (and even more).
If we were accurate we would be meeting belfs in Outland and Keal’Thas would be their Racial leader.
They were not, we met plenty of Drakkari in MoP. And the thing with Drakkari was that PC actively HELPed with their downfall.
It’s PC that helped The traitor
It’s the PC that under guise helped the scourge take One warlord after another.
It’s the PC that marched to other zones to slay Drakkari that were fighting the Scourge. Instead of leaving them be - enemy of my enemy is a friend. Not to mention One extreme quest where we slaughter entere family of One warlord in order to lure him out and kill kim to.
Fast forward to Legion and we have faction that collaborated with Legion but we helped them anyway because One junkie asked us nicely.
Zul’Drak reclamation would Give a sense of making up misdeeds. It would be uplifting story that even after all these problems they stood up, and it would be great achievement on Talanji’s list.
And what Focus on Arathi and Stranglethoen do you need? Arathi was already given to Alliance and you can thank Danuser for that ( “because that would be right”) and what needs to be done in STV exactly?
That’s a clever dodge, but it doesn’t change that you didn’t fully read the prompt and that you went outside the medium. That you aren’t even discussing the rest tells me what I need to know about these “objections” I suppose though.
This is a funny position though, and one that’s becoming a stock line of its own. I prompt an answer, receive an answer, discuss it, and then get chastised for said discussion. What are you afraid of here? Are you really so insecure in your points that any kind of pushback is something that you’ll whine about on the basis that I’m shooting your concerns down? Or do you just not understand the application of criteria?
I have multiple High level troll toons on EU. Why should I buy second subscription just to show off high level on US forums? If I could post on my original character I’d do that.
Hah. But positive depiction in Lore can lead to people being more interested into playing race. Why do You think Trolls continuously increased their population for the past few years? Because of Zandalari content and Zekhan.
Positive spotlight encourages to try a race. But I remember time where trolls were the least played race in the Horde.
The Zandalari got raided, lost their king, lost their navy, lost Rezan, and became so weakened that they had to join the Horde. They actually got depowered and defeated throughout BfA. Your example disproves your point. Tragedy and loss does not deter people from choosing a race if it is an interesting story, and the race is liked by many.
The Zandalari got abused and lost alot of their power throughout BfA. And while it makes me bummed out, I know that they had to come down a couple pegs to make sense as a Playable Race that would join the Horde. They remind of the Night Elves in that way. They both had to go through big come downs to make sense in their Faction as on par with the other kingdoms and races.
So again, your example disproves your point.
As far as Zekhan… um, that is a wild claim. I don’t know why you think he is positive development or what makes you think that he is some draw for more Troll Players. I loathe him. When it says: “Zekhan will remember” after I refused to help Saurfang… I wish he would remember. When he sees me, he better recognize - as the kids say.
Neither the Zandalari nor the Night Elves posed any danger of steamrolling other playable races. Neither of them were god-level entities that required a correction. Regarding the latter, they got through Vanilla through Wrath just fine without looking as though they had an outsized power base. They contributed to the Alliance, didn’t attract a lot of focus, they had no more questing content than dwarves, life was good.
With the Zandalari, I especially don’t understand. They had a strong counterparty in the other faction that didn’t get humiliated like the Zandalari were, so what gives? Were they going to take over the entire Horde or something like that? Was there an indication of that?
I feel like this is an ex-post-facto justification rather than a serious concern.
No, because they were shown in depth, we were able to learn meaningful stuff about them, we learned their point of view and we were able to live among them.
Instead of treating them like a mook race to punt down.
Nope. It just shows that BfA porivded both positive and negative content instead of just negative. That is the difference.
He quickly became fan favorite, and I grown to adore him too. Because of him the Darkspear trolls received boost in population ,everyone wanted to be as badass as he was in initial trailer, or later when he showed his true self in the Old Soldier.
There is nothing to loath him for, especially after the book - which was mediocre at best, but at least he was one of the highlights imo.
Reminds me of that “Feel Facts” bit in an SNL sketch about Laura Ingraham. “Things that aren’t technically true but they just feel right.” Like: “if you have less than 5 guns, you’re…” Well, alot of that sketch could be offensive.
The Kul Tirans actually started BfA on worse footing and had to build up. They were missing an appreciable portion of their Naval Power until Jaina was able to bring them back. They started that expansion in an obviously bad place and built up, while the Zandalari started out with a mighty fleet, a T Rex Loa, and a powerful King. The Alliance Player and Jaina receive a cold reception, and the Horde Player is given a welcome by Rastakhan. The stories are different, and that’s OK.
The Kul Tirans didn’t have a history of aiming for near global domination like the Zandalari or the kaldorei. Even the Zandalari civilians say things like:
“I miss the good old days, when we tried to take over the world.”
Yes. Because those things did happen lol.
Yup. Because there is negative and good in Troll history already. You seem more concerned with removing the negative that helps color the races history.
That is utter nonsense. Correlation is not causation. You have no evidence that Zekhan is the cause. It could also be that Druids were added in Cata, and they are among the most played Classes.
Yes there is. What is it with these people assuming their perspective is universal? Because you don’t agree there is no reason?
I thought he was a low light in the book. But I don’t have the arrogance to say “there is no reason to like him.” As if my opinion is the only one possible.
I didn’t claim it didn’t happen, I said that there was a positive content to outweight negative one.
Was there? Really? The only thing in the past was about us raiding each place other trolls lived at, seeing Darkspears being opressed and put on Martial law, and previously go against Amani even if Amani and Zul’Jin were super popular, and before that we started as a homeless tribe.
Only in BfA we started to have shift in favor of troll narrative even if it came with lots of stepbacks.
That is true, but even a WoWhead and WoWDevs on twitter reported surge of new troll shaman charactes.
You’re the one that is arguing that he didn’t become fan favourite because you dislike him.
I didn’t say there is no reason to dislike, I said there is no reason to loath him. As I thought you were incredibly unfair to a character who barely passed puberty.
I didn’t argue about him being a fan favorite, I argued about him being the reason Troll numbers have grown since Vanilla. I think the addition of Druids had a lot to do with the Troll numbers rising, as they are one of the most played Classes.
You are discounting someone having reasons to feel a certain way about a Character. That is almost insane. I would not tell people there is a lack of reasons to like Zekhan if they say they liked him. If people like him because they just like names that start with “Z”, or just because he goes: “zapzap”, it is their taste. I guess I don’t transpose my “feelings” over others, while you seem quick to.
If they wouldn’t notice a big surge of created characters then why would they make a notification on WoWhead and Official Warcraft Twitter account?
I’m saying that his popularity helped.
I had a different impression when I read other of your posts.
The correction on the Night Elves occured at the end of the Battle of Hyjal. Before Malfurion made the decision to detonate Nordrassil, the Night Elves were equal to the entire might of the Alliance and Horde. Losing the bulk of their power and immortality made them in need of partners given underlying issues still remaining with their southern neighbors.
Again, I compared vanilla to classic because it removes the noise of class, race, and racials changes and gets us closer to a look on sentiments. Troll numbers do appear to have increased.
They weren’t, and the jury is still out on how much of an impact that really made. The Night Elves weren’t gods in Warcraft 3, and the factional balance in the relative kit that each of the sides had to throw at each other is not a reflection of their standing in the world.
Because as powerful as they were…the Burning Legion was still that much more so. It took all three groups together to score that win at Hyjal, and that victory did not come cheap. If Nordrassil had not been blown up, everyone would have lost in the end.
I didn’t see them as uber powerful hence why I was always confused why people kept on bringing it.
I remember even someone arguing with me back in the day that I said it would be cool if for Warcraft reforged they’d add extra content and for example add playable Zandalari faction. And the player kept on insisting that they didn’t deserve their own faction since only true powerhouses deserved it.
Ignoring that in WC3 Horde wasn’t really a powerhouse.