10/22/2018 01:41 PMPosted by Druunah10/22/2018 01:04 PMPosted by VenjinYou will be henceforth recognized by the special rank of Godfather, should you ever join our Guild.
Nice offer!
(Umm...If I join your guild can I haz a cookie?) =D
07/29/2018 01:00 PMPosted by Carthorinn07/29/2018 11:35 AMPosted by Greenstone1. Revert the permission changes.
2. Fix all the issues with inviting, seems the new UI has a bug with it.
3. Make sure that you untie tie communities permissions from guild permissions.
There are too many negative things that a community could be used for:
If a guild member decides to make a community for pugging raids and says its sponsored by his guild and that they will bring people into raids through it but only for gold. This could be done in secret and could damage a guild's rep.
If a guild member decides to do something underhanded like sharing game exploits in game in their private community and somehow they tie it into their guild without their GM's knowing about it. The guild could be punished for this without being a part of it.
Not to mention the worse things that could be added into communities like people selling/trading illegal items such as drugs, sex, child !@#$, credit card numbers and so on. Since you are basically creating these communities in game you will become responsible for the actions of those users if they commit a real world crime.
There are many doors that open with the community groups but there are some that could damage the overall game structure.
Its nice when people use Discord outside of the game its not controlled by Blizzard and basically outside communities have no real way of effecting guild reps but within the game lots of issues can occur.
In any case I tend to look at the negative side of this because after eight years of being a GM and ten years of playing the game I know human nature is not always on the bright and good side.
For the situation you mentioned with the guildy making a community for raiding and claiming guild sponsorship. It would be nice if they had a verification thing where you could have the GM "verify" it.... Kinda like social media with celebrity pages where it shows verified and official page of whoever. But yeah some applications of communities are going to be toxic with no oversight.
They also need to overhaul the recruiting system it's dated, clunky, and practically useless. We do need our permissions seperated again how they were. The way it is now is just too much and giving them access to MoTD and guild info makes me cringe. I mean I trust my current officers but makes me semi hesitant to promote new ones for sure
I'm still failing to understand why it matters what avatar a player chooses to post on. They have a right to express their opinions regardless of which character they choose for such expression. And they're staying on topic (or at least I'm not seeing anything wildly off-topic, except perhaps, posts about what character a player posts on). How is this thread being "co-opted"?10/22/2018 05:55 PMPosted by ChehealsWith level 1's posting now, it's pretty much assured we're dead in the water...trolls/forum denizens just now care about whose post will be the one that pushes our thread to 100 pages...we've been completely co-opted...
I have to say, I'm ALWAYS trying to grab that window and shift it out of my way. Let us resize it, too, while you're at it.07/29/2018 01:05 PMPosted by CarthorinnIt would also be nice since the window is so big now if they made it movable.
10/22/2018 05:55 PMPosted by ChehealsWith level 1's posting now, it's pretty much assured we're dead in the water...trolls/forum denizens just now care about whose post will be the one that pushes our thread to 100 pages...we've been completely co-opted...
10/22/2018 08:50 PMPosted by Omghai10/22/2018 05:55 PMPosted by ChehealsWith level 1's posting now, it's pretty much assured we're dead in the water...trolls/forum denizens just now care about whose post will be the one that pushes our thread to 100 pages...we've been completely co-opted...
I am a GM of a guild. I just didn't notice I posted on this toon. Relax.
In fact, I am one of the original posters when this thread was made.
10/22/2018 09:58 PMPosted by ChehealsMostly what you notice is their complete and absolute disdain for positivity and any joy in the value of playing. They don't care about the guild UI anymore than they do any other topic which they can criticize the game about.
10/23/2018 07:50 AMPosted by TaraynLets not get too derailed here. Up until those posts started, this was probably the most unified I've ever seen an active forum thread around here. Well it still is actually - lets just stay on topic and ignore the troll accusations (which is ironic considering that's the only trolling happening here).
10/22/2018 01:04 PMPosted by Venjin10/22/2018 10:50 AMPosted by XakopaneI have brought this up with Blizzard directly and will do so again. The best argument in favor of a reversion to how the permissions used to work is the Least Privilege argument. A sound, solid argument.
A doom upon whomsoever has wronged Xakopane in the past or whomsoever may do so in the future.
If I could invite you over for a cannoli and coffee, I would, and name you friend in doing so. You will be henceforth recognized by the special rank of Godfather, should you ever join our Guild.
10/20/2018 07:02 PMPosted by TakodaTo whom it may concern:
As it is apparent that some enterprising individual, employed in some capacity at Blizzard Entertainment, has spent copious quantities of their personal effort perusing the works and passions of Lovecraft, one may assume, potentially erroneously, that it is possible the culture therein is spurred forward by ideologies expressed with extreme verbosity. If this does in fact prove to be the case, then I must forthwith pursue an argument that belies not just my erstwhile passions, but also those that cling to my bosom even into today. To that end, I must entreat the patience of my dear reader in the event that I fail to appeal adequately to a sense of curiosity and shared interests.
If I may presume to assume, however briefly, that my own motives and ambitions are broadly shared by the stalwart denizens of this thread, it is not remotely unusual that those of us who have undertaken leadership roles within our guilds continue to pursue our shared hobby for the purpose of furthering our respective communities and engaging in the casual socialization frequently enjoyed by close friends who have been acquainted with each other for many years. Furthermore, I do not believe I am alone in hearing from the members of my personal social circle that the only reason said members continue to engage in our shared hobby is precisely because of the social interactions provided by our little community. Therefore, I, as have seemingly many others, come to to the inescapable conclusion that our humble little guilds have over the years coalesced into a structure resembling the anatomical function of a spine, capable of bearing the strain of disagreement over the philosophies guiding the design decision making, and ensuring that players remain engaged and entertained regardless of the current status of the actual game. For myself, I can most firmly attest that the strength of my social bonds have carried more weight than my dissatisfaction with certain decisions of a design nature at crucial moments in the history of this game's development.
Given that our humble guilds have, via whatever meandering path, ended up in such a pivotal role in ensuring the ongoing health and success of our shared hobby, it is at best illogical, and at worst insidious, to undermine such institutions and detract from their capacity to adequately fulfill their designated role of community building. Despite this rather obvious line of logic, it does appear that Blizzard Entertainment is either entirely oblivious or possibly uncaring of the undue burden placed upon the humble leadership of these little communities by their recent updates, however innocent the intention, to the permissions structure. It is for this reason that I feel compelled to entreat that this situation be rectified with all due haste, as it has oft been stated the probability that Blizzard Entertainment is preoccupied with other matters of greater import is quite high. Over the lengthy duration of this issue, it has increased in urgency and import, and has reached a point where, in my humble belief, it now carries greater weight providing the benefit of prioritization.
This is my earnest entreaty, and my fondest hope is that Blizzard Entertainment will respond most favorably to this timid request.
With only the purest of intentions and the utmost respect,
Elder Takoda of Thunder Bluff, Chieftain of Army of Mulgore, Guardian of G'Hanir and Cenarius, the Dreamer, and Champion of the Frozen Wastes
10/23/2018 09:37 AMPosted by XakopaneIf I receive any response I can print, I'll do so here. I have a feeling the response will be a Blizzard Soon(TM) and we'll wait as long as we have for the message board software to be replaced!
10/23/2018 01:35 PMPosted by DeliriumBumpy bump bump! Good to see the thread still strong, maybe light at the end of this tunnel. Every day this dosn't get fixed guilds suffer. Keep it up!
07/29/2018 02:48 PMPosted by ApollorFor the past, what 10 years of WoW - I've been hoping for the day that the permissions would get an overhaul, so that they might actually be more useful, and more fine-grained controls.
Had to make do with the silly 'delete last created rank first' issue. That got fixed, and we could re-order them - which was a welcomed change.
We still had/have the annoying 'you have to empty the rank to turn-on 'Requires Authenticator" - Honestly this is like accepting a quest "you're currently mounted" just toggle the thing. If I turn on 'requires authenticator" pop a warning and say all those with will be dropped a rank - problem solved. But no.
I've always wanted a guild permissions panel more like a role based template - here's All the settings possible as a bunch of individual toggles. You make a Roll , set all the options that granting that role to a person would give them - and then you go and assign role(s) (yes- a person can be multiples) and their permissions become the result of all of those things turned on.
So you can have your pal John who is "a guildy", "a raider", "a raid-organiser", "an-officer" "bank-tidy-person" and they get the summation of permissions each of those roles grant.
When it comes to "Rank" - those should not be tightly coupled to permissions, but simply a guild-label so that others can easily see WHO is where in terms of "years of service" "smarty-pants" "twit" etc.
Anyway, at the end of the day I came here to see 40+ pages of people very-unhappy with a change, that I to am disappointed with - my main reason. "View and Edit Officer Note" and "Edit Public notes" are BOTH in the "is Officer" toggle.
Why... just.. why?
*sigh*
-A