Extended the cap once more on this one!
As you can imagine we're aware of this thread but don't have anything to share at this time but just wanted to say thanks for the continued feedback on this one. As soon as we have something to share we will post that for you guys.
So its been a few months.... Exactly WHEN will you have something to share? Are the forums just an interactive memory hole?
This is a containment thread. Read all about it.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/containment-threads-1696037/
10/11/2018 08:21 PMPosted by
Takoda
Yup. We're definitely in dysfunctional relationship territory here. Funny thing is, some of that improved communication would go a long ways towards helping. As such, there is only one proper response. *AHEM* doremifasollatido!
Every guild you break
Every permission you take
Every rank you break
Every improvement you fake
I'll be in this thread
Every single day
Silence comes my way
Choices taken away
From customers that pay
I'll be in this thread
Oh can't you see
Your UI's hurting me
My poor guild aches
With every day you take
Every question you take
Every answer you fake
Every claim you stake
Every coal you rake
I'll be in this thread
Since the pre-patch dropped, ranks are gone without a trace
I dream at night that I wake and it's replaced
I look around but it's just your smug new face
I feel so sad and I long for restored ranks
I keep crying Blizzard, Blizzard, please
Oh can't you see
Your UI's hurting me
My poor guild aches
With every day you take
Every guild you break
Every permission you take
Every rank you break
Every improvement you fake
I'll be in this thread
Every move you make
Every step you take
I'll be in this thread
I'll be in this thread
Moo.
**Sorry to steal your thing, Venjin. I was going to suggest this song, but then I kinda couldn't stop. I got carried away, and it was really cathartic. I have no regrets.
Us Trolls TOLD YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM DA VOODOO! Now you be infected too!
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two months and nothing....
Blizz devs are broken or are in panic driven fear. Prolly both.
10/11/2018 10:48 PMPosted by
Kona
two months and nothing....
Blizz devs are broken or are in panic driven fear. Prolly both.
The QA today indicates that Blizzard is backtracking on the rigid rep requirements for Allied Races and doubling rep gains.
IMHO they have to make a lot of changes before I'll play again. Like rolling back or making optional the leveling/scaling changes from 7.35
"Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?" --Jayne Cobb
Jayne was right, we shoulda brought grenades... blow this thing up.
The only place anyone is talking about this is here. Oh, there's a handful of us on Twitter, and submitting in-game bug reports (every time I open my guild control UI), but outside of that, virtually no one is talking about this.
BlizzardWatch has mentioned it, once, in a post at the end of July:
https://blizzardwatch.com/2018/07/30/wow-guild-and-communities-tab-not-helpful-to-the-overall-community/
They called it, "Worse than before..."
Ten days before that, WowHead said almost exactly the same thing:
https://www.wowhead.com/news=285759/new-guild-ui-limitations-and-guildroster-command
And MMO-Champion, at the very least, has this thread archived in its Blue Tracker:
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1096530-the-new-guild-ui-and-permissionsyikes/
And the rest is silence...
So far, it's been mostly GuildMasters that have sounded off on this--but really it affects anyone in a guild. Where are the streamers talking about this issue? Is there a Discord channel for this?
Even Reddit only has two threads, with comments totaling in the twenties--combined.
If the forum won't listen, I say blow it up. Make Twitch and Reddit headline it. Make Wowhead, Icy-veins, etc. bring it relevance.
10/11/2018 08:46 PMPosted by
Velara
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So its been a few months.... Exactly WHEN will you have something to share? Are the forums just an interactive memory hole?
This is a containment thread. Read all about it.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/containment-threads-1696037/
Totally a containment thread... but, eventually someone has to at least look long enough to extend the post limit and keep us contained.. who knows.. they might accidentally communicate when doing so.
I know we've been pressing this issue quite vociferously, but as I thought about last nights response to my bait post, you can tell everybody is on edge there. Take for example Crepe's response:
"Then why not talk about the "real issue"?
Hiding what you want to talk about in riddles doesn't get you anywhere.
They know there's some issues with the Guild UI. Whenever they extend a thread like that, they're gathering information in a central location. They just apparently don't have anything to talk about on it yet. Development sometimes isn't about changing a variable and calling it all good. Some things take time. And they rarely talk about something for us until they have something for us.
Because we suck at uncertainty or possibility. Until it's concrete? They're not going to talk about it."
The snark is real. And I don't believe it's just from player vitriol because it's a forum, and you can simply ignore comments you don't like. That's the beauty of these things. Something else is frustrating them, and maybe it's just the huge mountain of issues they have to fix with 8.1 as their deadline and they're unfortunately just spinning their wheels.
I mean seriously, can you imagine how the tone and overall message changes if he had said:
"Haha, you got me there. Look, I get it, and as a matter of fact, THEY get it. The Guild UI is not where anybody wants it to be right now and as stated a few times before, we have seen the huge thread regarding these problems. Honestly, Development isn't as simple as just flipping a variable here and there. These things take time. But they ARE working toward a solution. How are they doing that? I don't know, because if they don't have a concrete fix, they won't tell us anything. I know you've been asked to be patient, but I'll ask you again. Please be patient. Your feedback has let them know how big of an issue this really is and once they figure something out, we'll be able to give you real answers. Thanks, and please don't try to bait us again."
Would that response have placated everybody? No. But the tone is different. I'd rather get some of the mob placated than see the whole thing swell. But hey, that's just me. I'm not an MVP.
Also, to Blizzard, my other post was not meant to bait YOU. It was meant to bring more attention to our plight from the playerbase. As Roguewit has pointed out, beyond Guild Masters, this topic really has taken a backseat to a plethora of other (and just as valid!) issues. I just couldn't resist when the MVP replied.
10/11/2018 08:46 PMPosted by
Velara
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So its been a few months.... Exactly WHEN will you have something to share? Are the forums just an interactive memory hole?
This is a containment thread. Read all about it.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/containment-threads-1696037/
THEN WE NEED TO START !@#$ POSTING ALL OUR OWN THREADS INSTEAD OF BUMPING THIS ONE ANYMORE.
WANNA GET HEARD? LETS GO.
THEN WE NEED TO START !@#$ POSTING ALL OUR OWN THREADS INSTEAD OF BUMPING THIS ONE ANYMORE.
WANNA GET HEARD? LETS GO
It's likely not that easy.
I said it before and I'll say it again, spreading ourselves out all over is just turning one HUGE thread (ie: This thread) into multiple mini threads.
Would that be helpful?
I have serious doubts.
Why?
Because:
Blizzard has stated more than once that they know this now 90 plus page thread exists.
I think it'd be counterproductive to start making a bunch of smaller threads that get a few responses here and there and (And zero attention from Blizzard) and then probably all dry up in a few days or a week and then get locked. (Please see the so-called "bug thread" from only a few days ago for proof of this. It isn't locked yet, but no one has posted in at least a couple of days. This thread is quite lively by comparison)
Or: We keep posting here until "they" get sick to death of us, lock this thread up,
and THEN "we" go start a new thread (or 20) of righteous outrage and indignation over being so rudely silenced and shoved aside after 90 plus pages of anger, frustration, ideas, stories, (song lyrics) emotions, patience, impatience, etc...etc... with no solutions given.
I agree with Minus, i will not be "contained" while they simply ignore us. I think we all should start our own threads, flood the forums with our situation, make other players understand that if guilds fall apart we all lose. I think it is high time we took this to another level.
10/12/2018 11:04 AMPosted by
Druunah
THEN WE NEED TO START !@#$ POSTING ALL OUR OWN THREADS INSTEAD OF BUMPING THIS ONE ANYMORE.
WANNA GET HEARD? LETS GO
It's likely not that easy.
I said it before and I'll say it again, spreading ourselves out all over is just turning one HUGE thread (ie: This thread) into multiple mini threads.
Would that be helpful?
I have serious doubts.
Why?
Because:
Blizzard has stated more than once that they know this now 90 plus page thread exists.
I think it'd be counterproductive to start making a bunch of smaller threads that get a few responses here and there and (And zero attention from Blizzard) and then probably all dry up in a few days or a week and then get locked. (Please see the so-called "bug thread" from only a few days ago for proof of this. It isn't locked yet, but no one has posted in at least a couple of days. This thread is quite lively by comparison)
Or: We keep posting here until "they" get sick to death of us, lock this thread up, and THEN "we" go start a new thread (or 20) of righteous outrage and indignation over being so rudely silenced and shoved aside after 90 plus pages of anger, frustration, ideas, stories, (song lyrics) emotions, patience, impatience, etc...etc... with no solutions given.
I agree. I'm staying here until this thread gets locked or until a solid solution is delivered/revealed. IF it does, I'll start a polite, yet firm splinter thread re-asserting my position, along with a summation of how this change has nothing to do with class balance issues, rng, tuning, azerite, or any other far-reaching game mechanic that would require intense scrutiny to gauge the overall effect on the gameplay loop.
As long as this thread is unlocked and extended, with civil responses from Blue and Greens (If they come here and get snarky, that's not gonna go over well), then I will remain relatively civil in accordance with good form and decorum.
And believe me, Bliz, I'm one of the more moderate people here.
Oh, and BTW, Takoda...if you do that one more time...The Lip-Sync Battle is ON!
I am being civil but this strategy is not working my friends and all the while guilds crumble...every second counts folks!
I tried the waters on another thread i made( forums are brutal lol) i had to try, Ty Ven for the support and i agree our main priority should be this thread but maybe this will draw some more GM's in the fold, seems alot of people still don't know this change was made and havn't considered the repercussions of it. I havn't lost hope, let us all keep standing together , remember this is for all guilds.
I am being civil but this strategy is not working my friends and all the while guilds crumble...every second counts folks!
I said I'll be
relatively civil.
If I get one ounce of lip from them I'm not holding back.
10/11/2018 08:46 PMPosted by
Velara
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This is a containment thread. Read all about it.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/containment-threads-1696037/
THEN WE NEED TO START !@#$ POSTING ALL OUR OWN THREADS INSTEAD OF BUMPING THIS ONE ANYMORE.
WANNA GET HEARD? LETS GO.
Problem is, when they extend a thread to make it a "master" thread, they have a tendency to lock down any other threads on the topic and redirect the traffic to the master thread.
I tried the waters on another thread i made( forums are brutal lol)
Yeah, I looked at your thread. The posters weren't very sympathetic, were they? What they failed to realize is the reason they haven't heard complaints from their own guild leaders is either their guilds didn't have granular permission ranks to begin with, or the GL's did whatever damage control they could and are now waiting for Blizzard to fix things.
Though the forums would have you thinking differently,
most people don't actually complain much about game things. They grumble to themselves or their friends, maybe click a few likes on posts they agree with, and then they cope. Blizzard usually gets around to changing bad ideas eventually. (Whether the changes improve anything is always debatable.)
I tried the waters on another thread i made( forums are brutal lol) i had to try
I'm so sorry.
I hate that so few folks outside of guild leaders and perhaps guild officers understand what we are going through
What so many guild's are going through.
Brahmina said "Though the forums would have you thinking differently, most people don't actually complain much about game things. They grumble to themselves or their friends, maybe click a few likes on posts they agree with, and then they cope"
^That was me^Normally I just deal.
Not this time Blizzard.
I want my guild control back.
It’s only 4:19 PDT...maybe we’ll get a blue post before they go home for the weekend...
Most likely not.
It’s only 4:19 PDT...maybe we’ll get a blue post before they go home for the weekend...
Most likely not.
We won't get any blue posts unless the devs give them something to say. Which isn't going to happen at this point. Blizz will either fix the permissions or they won't. Either way, it's clear they aren't going to tell us ahead of time.
Note: the only blue posts we've had have been extensions. I think the last extension had no limit so they won't have to post another extension.
The i guess we keep talking through the weekend and hope they can give us an answer next week *crosses fingers*.