The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

Now you’re just making stuff up to bolster your negativity and your imprecise use of the word “literally”. I doubt they’ll ever really say* anything. They’ll most likely just implement it like they did when they made this change to begin with. But there’s absolutely no reason to assume that if they did say something, they’d be unable to follow through.

But since you’ve decided you need to comment in this thread, please tell us how your guild functioned with the old permissions, how it functions under the new ones, and what changes would most benefit the running of your guild. It doesn’t have to be the guild of the character you’ve been posting on, especially since you say that guild doesn’t actually exist.

But since you’re posting here, and claim you’re not trolling, you must have some actual relevant input to contribute, right? I mean, if it’s not affecting you, there’s no reason to post in this thread at all. So, please point out (as specifically as possible, since that’s what Ion asked for) what aspects of the current guild management UI work well for you and what changes would best suit your particular guild’s needs.

*by which I mean as a post in this thread. They have already, more than once, actually spoken of this issue and said they were working on a fix.

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  1. ‘‘We have replaced our current dev team.’’
  2. ‘’’‘All portals have been returnedto former status.’’
  3. ‘’ Waterwalking abilities will be left as is.’’
  4. ‘’ Dedicated GMs will be returned to RP realms; specifically to deal with griefers.’’
  5. ‘‘Waffles will be made a recipe, together with attendant condiments for same.’’
  6. ‘’ ‘Flipping hair’ will be included in the Trial of Style.’’

Flips hair

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I’ve lurked but not posted in a while, because I’m presently not playing. Not because of any one particular issue (though there are many), but because I just don’t have time or interest right now with other projects going on.

That being said.

Blizzard. Please undo the changes BfA made to the community/guild UI and system, and return granular permission options to guild leaders. What we want is the return of our customizable officer permissions so we can run our guilds in the way that works best for us. While I may not be a guild leader right now, I have been in the past, and having that level of freedom and choice is invaluable and quite frankly, necessary to run a successful guild.

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I haven’t forgotten my quoting quota. This is a long post from October that gives very detailed feedback about how the poster’s guild used permissions and how the change has affected them:

Yes it’s a long story that a lot of folks probably won’t bother to read. But I bet it’s not all that different from a whole lot of other guilds’ stories.

I’ve seen folks in this thread scoff at our request to have the permissions separated by claiming not a single mythic or realm-first guild is having any problems with the changes. Well, I’d like to say, NOT EVERY GUILD IS A MYTHIC OR REALM-FIRST GUILD.

The very vast majority of guilds are like Venjin’s–a small guild started by friends and/or family who then want to try tougher content and have to build membership from strangers. We don’t have the luxury of an extensive vetting process or other safeguards that the very top tier guilds have. We cannot give every member the same amount of trust until they’ve proven themselves, but at the same time, we need help running our guilds. We NEED granular permissions so we can reward good guildies with increasing levels of trust.

No-one ever asked to have our permissions borked. It’s now been ten months since this thread was started. That’s an appalling amount of time to have to wait for a fix. At this point I have to truly wonder whatever happened to the company that used to be called Blizzard. This mess we have now isn’t even worthy of the name.

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I KNEW IT! I’m not the only person who uses “borked”!

Anywho, I finally built my wife a new rig. It runs WoW much better than her old one.

So howzabout gettin’ that fix into the PTR notes, eh Bliz?

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Here is another long guild story from back in October. It doesn’t really address our main issue of separating the permissions. Instead, it very vividly describes how important guilds are to WoW and the WoW community. It’s very much worth the read.
Warning: Have a tissue handy.

Guilds are WoW’s true “community”. Kill them, and you kill WoW.

Fix the permissions, Blizz.

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Checking in. I play every day and every day i look at the guild permissions and hope that MAAAAAAABYE some change has happened…alas not yet. Fix the guild permissions BLIZZ , if 3186 post of mostly good constructive feedback is not enough to make you understand i wonder if you ever will…

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Poking my nose in to say hey… still waiting for the fix. While it’s not devastating to my guild, because I’ve known my officers for many years and have complete trust in them, it is still very frustrating. I really miss my jr officer rank.
What has gotten under my skin lately, is that I’ve thought a few times about starting a new guild on a different realm for an ‘on the side’ endeavor… but I realize that I would need to have complete trust in complete strangers if I wanted any officers to help me. Simply unacceptable to me, so all my toons off my main realm either run around lonely and guildless, or I’m bouncing around guilds trying to find a fit but nothing is quite what I’m after… the whole reason I want to make my own.
What a depressing mess.
Please just give our granular permissions back.

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So here’s a lovely, detailed post from back in October which gives very specific feedback about what they’re missing from the old UI plus some extra wishes.

Fix the permissions, Blizz. I know you can do it. You’re not nearly as incapable as many in GD claim.

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A Brief History of How My Sub and My Guild Are Related

I almost quit in vanilla because of a series of bad guild experiences, and I swore off guilds forever. But I met a very persistent bear in a pug, who begged me to join Army of Mulgore for days, and finally giving in was one of the best choices I’ve ever made. I’ve made so many awesome friends over the years. Because of the guild, I kept a sub up continuously from the time I started in vanilla through the end of wrath. By the end of wrath, I was an officer in Army of Mulgore.

I unsubbed in cata because I hated the healing changes and our raid group fell apart. After being unsubbed for a while, I missed my guild, so I reached out to them on Facebook. They told me that Blizzard fixed healing, so I resubbed.

I hated the world of dailies in early MoP, so I unsubbed again. I returned later in MoP because I missed my guild. Once again, I found that my issue with the game had been resolved while I was away.

In warlords, I dethroned the GM of Army of Mulgore after he dropped his sub. Remembering my previous experiences, I decided I was not going to unsub even though the game wasn’t very fun. I’d wait out the fix instead. I talked my brother into returning to wow, and we started a raid group back up. During a time when so many people were quitting the game, our guild grew more active.

After such a long time of not being very active, we had to really scrounge around for enough raiders. We took on people who weren’t raiders, including one very nice guy (but very bad player) who asked as we were explaining fight mechanics, “What’s a nova?” We really struggled through those early fights, but the people in our group got better. Friends were brought in, many of whom were heroic raiders from other guilds on our server and helped carry our sorry butts through normal. Then we found out about the moose mount in HFC. We worked so hard for that moose, and got our first ever AOTC kill (carrying our nova noob) with one whole raid night to spare. We were so excited. I actually had a pretty good time in WoD in our raids and dungeon runs. Outside of guild events tho…not so much fun. If I didn’t have the guild, I probably wouldn’t have stayed subbed. And if we were less bad, we would have run out of content.

In Legion, our raid group took a hiatus during emerald nightmare, primarily due to colorblind issues. I remained subbed because I was the GM, and those of us that remained kept doing m+. Towards the end of nighthold, we reformed the raid group and became more serious about our m+ progression. This time, we had enough raiders pretty quickly. Once again, we had a steady growth of people joining us through the end of the expansion. Several of the heroic raiders that helped us in WoD left their guilds to join AOM for more wiping during Legion. We also started our tradition of m+ cache runs for everyone, which will be completed once per week even if that dungeon takes us 3 hours gosh darn it.

It rarely takes us 3 hours, but sometimes 2 hours with alts… good RIO scores are for the weak.

And now BFA. I can 100% promise that if I wasn’t in a guild I love, and if I wasn’t the GM, I would not have a sub right now. I’m in that situation again where I’m enjoying my guild, but I’m not really enjoying the game.

So, by all means, fix the game. But also fix my guild. Because I’ll stay for the guild. I’m far less likely to stay for the game.

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Also: Fix PvP.

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I know we’re supposed to be giving feedback about the things we’d like to see done for guilds and prioritize it all as well. But it’s kind of hard to focus on that when we don’t even know what Blizz may or may not have already looked at. What ideas are they currently working on? Surely they’ve been hard at work fixing the permissions, right? So what sort of feedback to they specifically need?

This next quoted post pretty much nails how I feel at the moment:

Blizz, can’t you please give us even a hint what else you need to hear from us so the permissions can get fixed? I mean, separating out the permissions is the absolute priority here.

We’ve listed lots of other things we’d like to see, mostly because we heard that’s what you want. But you haven’t really specified in this thread what more you want from us. So we’re just flailing around, trying to give you what you want so we can get what we want. If you’d just talk to us, it would go a long way toward helping us understand what’s going on over there.

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It’s simple. Two things will get me to resub:

  1. Classic release.
  2. Guilds reverted to how they were pre BFA.

Up to Blizzard which happens sooner.

Been waiting for this to be addressed since July 2018.

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And you’ll be waiting many more years. They are pushing guilds to the side. It’s sad to say, but the only real reason to even be in a guild anymore is for mythic progression. Blizzard has removed nearly any other reason. WoW has evolved into a light-lobby game. You don’t need to form friendships and alliances, you just open up your group finder and start signing up for groups.

Well, Classic is coming this summer, so only a couple of more months until I can actually play in the World of Warcraft again instead of fantasy action game raids, phases, and menus of Warcraft.

But even that could be enjoyable to me on some level if guilds hadn’t been eviscerated.

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In my humble opinion, the word here should be “devolved”

Bring on Classic.

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I can’t argue this.

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They can’t fix the guild UI / permissions, but they updated how the guild looks in the armory. It looks nice, and I like the sort functions, but I’d much rather have a way to see iLevel AND fix the in-game UI and permissions.

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Do you mean see ilvl in the game as well as on the armory? That would be very useful for many guilds, I know. Having it in the armory is fine, but I don’t think folks want to always have to go outside the game to look that stuff up.

I do like the new guild armory page. It sort of took me by surprise because I was just looking at the old one the other day and somehow missed the revamp. I’m going to take this as a sign that they are working on guild stuff. Our granular permissions are on the way! (I hope.)

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Reposting this 3 months and 8 days later, with still no updates.
:upside_down_face:

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