The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

Grunwulf-stormrage · January 20, 2019, 4:03pm

Ohh, and fix that dadgum Guild Permissions and UI! Or at least acknowledge that you didn’t keep your word about open/more communication or that you are working on the fix…preferably back to the way it was before.

Venjin-bronzebeard · January 21, 2019, 12:05am

Savarel-elune · January 21, 2019, 1:23pm

Che is the herpes virus of the forums, showing up when least expected and never appreciated.

Raicolette-moon-guard · January 21, 2019, 6:40pm

I believe this is the 4th Q&A. Trying again.

Venjin-bronzebeard · January 21, 2019, 6:46pm

Gave it my vote.

I hope this one is our Ben Kenobi.

Holliday-lightbringer · January 21, 2019, 8:51pm

Asked about fixing guilds in the Q&A thread, as well as upvoted the better worded one that references this thread… looking forward to being ignored by Blizzard for another Q&A.

Druunah-ravencrest · January 21, 2019, 10:23pm

Did the exact same thing.

I told Blizz ignoring us is not a solution.

Now waiting on being ignored even harder.

/sigh

Takoda-kul-tiras · January 21, 2019, 10:33pm

I did the same as well.

Huugg-illidan · January 22, 2019, 9:42pm

Just giving this the ol’ bump a doo, would eventually like an answer to any of the many eloquently worded posts in this thread.

Venjin-bronzebeard · January 23, 2019, 12:49am

Hrmph…they stealth-fixed the chat timestamps.

Now…lets see if they can get to the real issue…

Fumel-arathor · January 23, 2019, 2:41am

As I continue my read through and highlighting of past posts, here is another post from back in August that could have been made today:

Wretchedmist:

I’ve already made some posts here, but I’m checking in again and will continue to do so until the post patch 8.0 permissions problem still exists.

As of right now, I haven’t assigned anyone in our guild with the “Is Officer” checkbox since there are certain permissions I will not assign to anyone, regardless of rank. As a result of this, nobody in the guild can be granted some of the other permissions that are now all lumped together in the “Is Officer” permission.

All I ask is that each of the eight permissions under the “Is Officer” box be reverted back to individual check boxes, just like it was prior to patch 8.0. Lumping them together into one permission box makes it harder to manage guild hierarchy and incentives. Whoever made the decision to change this feature of guild management made a mistake. You don’t have to apologize for it or anything. Rather, just please revert this back to the way it was so we can manage our guilds the way we deem best. I don’t need this one-size-fits-all intervention gunking up the works. We as guild masters know our guilds, not some distant Blizzard employee with some personal ideology.

Guild master controls have always been lacking in WoW and we should have more customization, not less. I have contributed my own ideas earlier in this thread on how positive changes could actually help guild managers, not hurt them. You can refer to them in earlier posts. I have been playing and raiding WoW since Vanilla, and have been the guild master of our guild since the TBC days. I have reps under my belt.

Please address this problem and revert the change. This thread began on July 17. We’re now at August 15 and BfA has launched. Respond to your customers. Respond to the people who organize guilds and hold things together. That’s what this game is about, and your failure to address this doesn’t reflect well on how you view guilds. That’s really pathetic since guilds are a founding and enduring pillar of this game.

Get it together, people.

Yeah, the irony in the last paragraph is rather thick. I wonder how long this is going to keep going without an answer? Do we really have any hope for the upcoming Q&A?

I’m guessing most of us want to know if there’s even a fix in mind. If so, is there any estimate on how much longer we have to wait? If not, can we get an explanation as to why the devs think the current all-in-one permissions will work for all guilds? Especially those guilds with members who haven’t necessarily gone through a hugely difficult vetting process with on-line applications and other requirements? You know, like nearly all the casual/leveling/social guilds that make up the majority of WoW guilds (as opposed to the truly top-end elite raiding guilds)?

Delirium-bronzebeard · January 23, 2019, 6:56am

Bumpy…up voted Q&A thread as well…we shall see.

Velara-gilneas · January 23, 2019, 11:06am

I noticed I still lack the old Guild controls.

Wonder why…

Brahmina-khadgar · January 23, 2019, 5:12pm

Each patch or hot fix makes me hopeful that there might be a stealth fix. I wonder how many times I have to get “slapped in the face” before I learn? I’m a natural optimist, but Blizzard seems to be trying their hardest to get me over it.

We’ve given feedback upon feedback. We’ve made many, many clear, insightful posts about why the permissions need to be separate and not lumped under one catch-all rank. We’ve also made numerous suggestions for other guild improvements. ALL of it can be found in this single thread. You don’t have to go digging through forum archives to find this information–it’s all here.

Why can we not get any answers? What more do we need to do? Please tell us–because I and many others would be happy to provide whatever more the devs need to make a decision on this.

Druunah-ravencrest · January 23, 2019, 11:41pm

Sitting at 29 likes as of this writing, this question to Blizzard for the Q&A has one of the highest “like counts” I’ve seen so far after scrolling through said Q&A .

I want to, however I’m not sure if I should attempt to be hopeful at this point or not.

prayers said, fingers crossed

Takoda-kul-tiras · January 23, 2019, 11:43pm

I’m still scrolling through upvoting everything guild related. Not quite to the bottom, but I’ve found quite a few questions about permissions, recruitment, and masterlooter. Hopefully, they will address it.

As usual, I will be waiting with bear breath. And I will NOT go take a dip in the Dreamgrove because it’s time for a bit of a stink!

Venjin-bronzebeard · January 24, 2019, 4:05am

Hey, Druunah, completely unrelated but I need to catch you somehow:

Are those your alts in the guild or are you actively recruiting? (Because there’s nothing wrong with that at all! I’m just curious lol)

Edit: Actually, I can make this relevant.

See Blizz, roster management is normally something we delegate to officers…but yeah…

Altherei-wyrmrest-accord · January 24, 2019, 8:02pm

I haven’t posted in this thread in a while so I thought I’d come back in. Sad to see so many Q&As gone by with not even a peep from Blizzard. If they -are- still working on something (assuming they were to begin with, which I say completely seriously), it would at least be nice to know that so we can have something to go on.

I’m not a GM, but I have been one in the past. If I ever were to run a guild again, these permissions would be remarkably inconvenient for me and would make running an effective guild the way -I- want that much more difficult. Please give us an update of -some- kind Blizz. Considering how you talked about how you love guilds and communities when this expac was announced, the move to take away options from GMs and then meet us with radio silence does not feel like love. It feels distinctly like being ignored.

Jareff-maelstrom · January 24, 2019, 8:04pm

Q/A still no mention of this topic. sigh

Venjin-bronzebeard · January 24, 2019, 8:06pm

Hey…they took away your MVP status?

And yes…

No mentions. Again.