The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

Fumel-arathor · December 10, 2018, 2:28am

Continuing my read-through. Still on Aug 10, here is a discussing (about programming) that includes speculation about how things got this way and how it might be fixed:

Æthelwulf:

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
While explaining how infrastructures work in a software company is very educational and I do appreciate the information this still doesn't excuse what Blizzard has done here.

Agreed! Blizzard really has not provided any information on the who what where and why's. Doing so would go quite a ways to increasing our understanding. Increasing understanding is pretty much always a good thing to do if your goal is to smooth out misunderstandings.

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
Basically they needed to assess their changes to their product more before they put it into live or even beta but for some reason this seemed so important and rushed that well they skipped a step.

A step? Singular? I'd say they skipped a metric buttload of steps!

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
As for it being difficult for them to revert the changes, everything you guys have been saying is basically they changed their main code / database and can not revert easily.

Boiling it down, my thoughts are since the code is likely still there and the fields are likely there but no longer used as of a certain date, turning them back on and allowing them to repopulate should be straightforward and minimal changes made to boot.

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
Isn't it also possible that the changes they made were modular in nature that the routines and databases they modified are smaller and not something that is part of lets say the coding for characters and stats but a smaller routine/module plus database that is connected to the bigger code.

Entirely possible and in fact quite likely. Lazy programming is actually good programming, and one of the tenets of lazy programming is to never write more lines of code than you absolutely have to. That logic means that old code if it can be reused SHOULD be reused, and not mixing featuresets on disparate systems is better than mixing complex systems together in the first place when you may end up unentangling the systems later on.

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
I bet its more likely their programming has changed a great deal since its beginning and many sections that are part of the game are actually built with the idea of portability so when the infrastructure needs to be rebuilt you can port sections of the application to the new infrastructure and test it to insure it all works while still working on it.

Again true. The dbms will allow ONE database to be the 'master data' or Authoritative Data Source and all other databases will use the ADS as its control and each of the other databases as either backups sources or replication targets.

08/09/2018 08:40 PMPosted by Greenstone
I bet its more likely their programming has changed a great deal since its beginning and many sections that are part of the game are actually built with the idea of portability so when the infrastructure needs to be rebuilt you can port sections of the application to the new infrastructure and test it to insure it all works while still working on it.

If this is the case the code is probably still in the game, just remarked out, and the old data that the code touched is probably still stored in place but nothing is accessing it. I suggest the fact that the old Guild Roster command works and brings up the old UI as proof of that.

So if this is the case and what I see is accurate then reverting the code is possible with minimal work.

I would certainly hope that this is the case and reversion should be quite easily done. The real question then becomes why has it not already been done?

For the answer to that I will leave it up to Blizzard to answer our question:

Blizzard? Over to you.

cameraman A: Ion? Your on in 5, 4, 3...

Rainestorm-proudmoore · December 10, 2018, 9:24am

Guild interface is still broken, Blizz, and GMs aren’t the only ones hating it. Please fix! There are certainly a lot of great ideas in this thread.

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 10, 2018, 5:27pm

It’s taking a whole 'lotta willpower not to resort to pure vulgarities at this point.

But I will persist, ever patient, ever waiting, for some semblance of an update.

It doesn’t help that now I’m gearing up for double duty to protest the Enh Shammy PvP nerfs.

Stop giving me ammo, Bliz!

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 10, 2018, 6:09pm

'OY! Please upvote/like (or post your own version) my question for the QA on the 13th! I know we’ve been ignored/passed over/missed in the past but doing NOTHING isn’t gonna help!

Hit 'em up so they can finally answer and shut us up!

Fumel-arathor · December 11, 2018, 2:49am

Done.

I was sorely tempted to vote with all my alts, but I’m guessing Blizz would see right through that. I was good and only clicked it once. I’m glad it’s one of the first questions listed so maybe more folks will see it and upvote it. It sure would be nice to get an actual reply this time.

Xethorsiph-kelthuzad · December 11, 2018, 3:08am

You’ve got my upvote, and this thread has my bump.

Takoda-kul-tiras · December 11, 2018, 4:18am

Upvoted! Now to wait and see what Ion has to say.

Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune · December 11, 2018, 6:10am

Slapped a heart on it too. Rai put another comment down around 48, we can all tag that one as well.

Delirium-bronzebeard · December 11, 2018, 6:33am

Upvoted! 3rd spot very nice Ven, hard to see how they can ignore that one. Make it know everyone , tell your guildies , tell your trade chats, tell them to give it an upvote!

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 11, 2018, 5:24pm

I don’t suppose anybody’s had a chance to logon and check to see, if by some miracle beyond hope, that they stealth-fixed the issue today?

/wishfulthinking

Epe-illidan · December 11, 2018, 10:20pm

The first thing I did was check for changes, there are none sadly.

Fumel-arathor · December 11, 2018, 11:26pm

Honestly wasn’t expecting any at this point because they would surely have mentioned it in the patch notes. Though, I confess it would be all right with me if they fixed it without saying anything.

Any time now, Blizz. Any time.

Druunah-ravencrest · December 12, 2018, 4:50am

Found this blue post on the Q and A page:

Takoda-kul-tiras · December 12, 2018, 5:01pm

Thank you. I was super confused by that. They managed to get Tuesday, 13, and 14 in there, so it’s good to know the accurate day!

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 12, 2018, 5:23pm

Time to dig into the 80’s again.

Ooh, Blizzard, do you know what WoW’s worth?
Now our guild controls are just the worst
They say in Warcraft, players come first
But you made guild controls the worst on earth.
Now our guild controls are just the worst.

In two thousand four,
We all logged on and prepared for war.
And we played with friends, while we made jokes
in the old barrens.

Then you walked into the room
You made a patch and sent us doom,
And we’re suffering in the gloom
And you kill our guilds, with a loud ‘kaboom’

Ooh, Blizzard, do you know what WoW’s worth?
Now our guild controls are just the worst
They say in Warcraft, players come first
But you made guild controls the worst on earth.
Now our guild controls are just the worst.

When I need Fumel, I post in here
and see she is well
'Cause we’re so confused, you say nothing
And we feel abused.

Here we are just wanting Ythisens,
To let us know when this madness ends,
Blizzard, we were afraid before
But now we’re mad, what’s in store?

Ooh, Blizzard, do you know what WoW’s worth?
Now our guild controls are just the worst
They say in Warcraft, players come first
But you made guild controls the worst on earth.
Now our guild controls are just the worst.

Just from me, Fumel, and Druunah,
Your response smells like rotten tuna
Blizzard, we were afraid before
But now we’re mad, what’s in store?

Ooh, Blizzard, do you know what WoW’s worth?
Now our guild controls are just the worst
They say in Warcraft, players come first
But you made guild controls the worst on earth.
Now our guild controls are just the worst.

Now our guild controls are just the worst…

Smadinker-moon-guard · December 12, 2018, 5:26pm

This thread has been up 148 days, still nothing. Keep up the good work.

Dlaciabia-sisters-of-elune · December 12, 2018, 6:20pm

How can they not have an answer to just “will this be changed or not?” yet? We don’t need all the details of a change, but surely someone can say there is a change in the works or that it is set in stone. You either plan to change it or leave it as-is, which is it?

Tixi-moon-guard · December 12, 2018, 7:23pm

This has crippled guilds. Please fix it.

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 12, 2018, 8:34pm

I’m sorry, but I can’t be the only one who thinks the ‘update’ causing the Cross-RP addon to cease functionality within the ‘communities’ feature is hilarious.

Seriously, the implementation and functionality of ‘communities’ is where this all begins.

Several levels of failure here, Bliz.
And where are we going with it all? Inquiring minds want to know.

Venjin-bronzebeard · December 12, 2018, 8:58pm

Okay. I got desperate.

Today, I bought ATVI Stock.
Means I’m a shareholder.
Means I own a part of the company, however miniscule.

Means as a superminority owner, I want you to update me on the progress of this issue and I expect a TPS report with an appropriate coversheet ON MY DESK BY FRIDAY.