The new Guild UI and Permissions...yikes (Part 1)

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LMAO… errr, no… umm, yes–but in the way that every fellow dwarf is my brother.

@Blizzard, my Guild controls are still broken… Please address this issue forthwith.

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Hope everybody had a safe and good Thanksgiving!

Now.

Bliz: I’m just going to assume you’re working on the issue, so, status update please.

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Hey Blizz, we still don’t like this UI
Could we have an update on reversion of permission controls?

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Blizzard:

The natives are restless.

Every Guild Leader deserves an answer!

Please and thank you.

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I read an article yesterday about the current culture at Blizzard. This was maybe on PC World, and they were getting their info from former employees, so grain of salt and all. But the article was very disturbing if true.

Basically, the employees were being told to cut costs any way they could, as if Blizzard was a failing company, not the healthy, robust one they actually are. New people have taken over, and the focus seems to no longer be “make the best games we can.” Instead it’s, “make what we can that will increase revenues for less cost.”

If this is true, we’re beating our heads against the wall here because the people with the purse strings aren’t loosening them. It also means all the GD doomsayers are right. Corporate idiots who only look at numbers and pay no attention to the actual product are going to destroy WoW, just like they’ve destroyed hundreds of businesses before this.

I don’t want to believe this is true.

I hope, if the article actually was accurate, that someone in charge comes to their senses and remembers what actually made Blizzard the top gaming company it is: Great games built by gamers for gamers.

If you’re building FOR gamers, you do things that make life better for said gamers. Like supporting guilds. Supporting guilds means (among other things) fixing the guild permissions so they aren’t all lumped under one heading.

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My reply to those who hold afore mentioned purse-strings would be:

“They better” (loosen them)

Why? Because I (we) fill said purses.

I for one will be pouring less of my hard earned finances into a product I am no longer happy with. (ie: our four active Wow accounts)

Blizzard: Here’s the situation as far as me and my guild go:

I’ve managed to contact most of my guild via our guild group. I asked them the following question:

“If I create a guild for us on Classic Wow once it goes live, is anyone interested in joining me there?”

Almost all of my regulars responded, including some who have not played at all in a few years, along with some of the newer folks as well. I was very surprised (and pleased) to get all affirmative responses. No one that responded said no or that they were not interested. Quite the opposite in fact.

So that’s our plan. A new guild on Classic Wow come summer of 2019. A new guild who’s guild control is not fubar. I am not happy with BfA for obvious reason (busted guild control) and they are not happy with BfA for other reasons. Some were not happy with Wow years ago and left. Why? Mostly the continued dumbing down of a once challenging game.

What does that mean?

For me personally at any rate, that means very probably shutting down (as in no longer paying real money for) all but one of my Standard Wow Accounts. It may even mean shutting them all down eventually if Classic works out for us. I don’t mind in the slightest losing all the bells and whistles and shiny things that is modern day Wow. (Heirlooms, low level chauffeured mount, flying, easy kill npcs, easy gold, etc…etc…
I played Wow quite happily back in the day without all that stuff. I can and will again.

So that takes Blizzard from actual cash paid for 4 active Standard accounts, to one Standard account and a free (for those with a Standard account) Classic account. (Or maybe just one Classic account in the end)

According to Blizzard, Classic accounts wont cost as much as Standard Wow Accounts.

All because Blizzard (possibly) believes they are saving a buck or two by cost cutting where it wasn’t needed, necessary, or wanted.

Way to go Blizz.

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That is very troubling indeed.

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Regardless of motive, they are destroying Wow.

If any of the above is true, Blizzard may not be a failing company now, but they soon will be.

When they’re done “fixing” what isn’t broken (it’s a thing with Blizzard these days. The forums are full of threads like this one albeit other topics / issues) all that’ll likely be left is a ftp shell of a great game, and maybe Classic Wow if they don’t botch that somehow.

Like Fumel, I truly hope that all that “stuff” isn’t the case.

Regardless of this very unpopular xpac, broken guilds, bugs, apparent cost cutting, etc…Wow has been my home away from home for well over a decade and I still love it.

Like everyone else here, I just want our guilds fixed.

Wake up Blizzard!

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1/3 of a year later and Blizzard still won’t respond.

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That’s a sobering way to put it. One third of a year. :scream:

Please, Blizz, stop ghosting us. Fix the permissions or tell us why you can’t. That really isn’t too much to ask.

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Time to take a deep breath.

Those of us with functioning/raiding guilds have made this work. I understand it’s cool to troll Blizz over their decisions (which they have made millions of), but I don’t see anyone asking Method, or any top raiding guild, any top YouTube poster,or heck anyone worth mentioning to address this.

It’s great you got a thread going and you’re padding your stats. Post on Reddit about this; tag Method about this; in other words ask anyone in the game that actually plays. If a dummy like me can make this work…anyone can.

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If the gaming community had this mindset 2 years ago with SW:BF 2 debacle with loot boxes, they’d be more predatory than they are now.

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Yet on the alternate thread (The one you created) you have a very different attitude about this issue. Here’s you yourself replying to one of the few posters who used that thread:

You keep saying that, yet you never explain how. Especially since you seem to be in dire straights on your alternate thread.

Here’s the link to afore mentioned alternate thread" authored by Cheheals himself: The New Guild UI, Permissions...yikes! - #25 by Cheheals-gilneas

Just so people can see the radical change in attitude from there to here.

Blizzard, you have yet to respond.

All of the Guild Leaders who are concerned for their guilds would like an answer one way or another.

Thank you.

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Yeah still waitin on the stuff that was removed from guild options to be put back in… like, seriously.

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I posted in this. Yay me! :smiley::+1:

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So let me get this straight. The game virtually requires you to be in a guild to get into either raiding or the developer’s beloved M+ activities. And so the dev team has savaged guild support and made running a guild much worse. Then they acknowledge the issue and go silent for months. If the current guild management UI is ‘working as intended’, I guess their intention is for guilds to go away. I guess the new mobile paradigm doesn’t include guilds.

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Please fix the guild roster. We have phantom players showing up as online when they are not. we cannot look up people when we need to, and the permissions are a mess.

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So, very large guilds who award different permissions for different ranks can “make this work” how, exactly? Have you even read any of the many, many posts where guild leaders are enumerating the ways the all-in-one permissions are destroying their guilds?

Seriously, just because you made the square peg fit in your round hole, you really think every other guild, no matter how they’re arranged or how the members play, can make this cookie-cutter do things it actually can’t do? You do realize that not every guild is formed for raiding? And not every raiding guild is managed identically?

What he heck is your problem anyway? I’d really like to know because you seem to have a hair up your nose about this. If Blizz fixed the issue, you could still keep doing whatever it is you’re doing to make your guild work. So why do you insist on trolling this thread and saying anyone who “actually plays” has no problem with the guild permissions–very clearly insinuating that anyone who has problems doesn’t play? What is your agenda?

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The current guild system is a guild killer, and many guild masters and officers have talked about this, too. Here’s the major things that I believe hinders guilds from shining as bright as they possibly can with the current system:

  • The singular Officer permission should be split up as it once was in Legion

  • Communities remove even further reason to be a part of a guild since they target interests and break people apart from mixing interests and doing different things together, which is what a guild is all about.

  • The new UI window is almost unusable. They can’t seem to understand that it’s very inconvenient that players who are offline can be seen as online and visa versa. I have to continually resort to /guildroster as a result.

I do have some ideas for how they could, first of all, fix guilds so they can be back to what they were, and secondly, how they can improve on guilds even further.

  1. New Event/Announcement UI: There needs to be a new interface that makes events and guild announcements more accessible. They also need to make the MOTD and the Guild Information tab longer, as well as a separate place to put links to the guild’s social media and website.

  2. Add Relevant Achievements and Rewards: They need to add more challenging achievements for all categories, whether it be getting even more honorable kills or something having to do with Island Expeditions, current dungeons and raids or allied races. Also, there’s no new mounts, pets, toys or appearances! We need more of those!

  3. Incentivizing Challenges: They also need to give more rewards for completing challenges, whether it be a weekly increase in gold earning or a small reputation boost. There should also be challenges for arenas and perhaps a bi-weekly or monthly challenge where guilds compete in Mythic+ or PvP.

  4. Removing LFR: I have several reasons for why I think LFR is bad, but one of the biggest reasons is that it takes the meaning of having a guild and throws it even further away. LFR is a way for random players to group up and go through eight (currently) punching bags for gear. Raids should be left as a daunting task for guilds or manually organized groups of players to take on. While there should be a difficulty that doesn’t have a huge burden, they should remove this difficulty which has zero challenge.

  5. Guild Halls: Having guild halls as a hub for players in guilds to go to as a meeting place, as well as a place where players could receive daily or weekly quests that require guild groups for rewards to the guild, the guild bank and perhaps vendor items that could appear at the Guild Vendor would be awesome. To keep main cities alive, I do think we should limit the different kinds of things that are there, such as an Auction House or a questing board.

  6. Improve Recruitment!: Have an actual live recruitment channel in-game. Make a certain sections in this channel for each type of guild. Urge guildless players to check out guild recruitment forms a bit more! Guilds and their benefits must be pushed out there into the open by Blizzard, as guilds are a HUGE game changer.

  7. Even More Permissions: I’ll list the permission/system ideas I had down below:

  • Increase player cap to anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000
  • 10 new guild ranks to allow for further customization
  • “Last Online” tab separated from “Zone” tab in new guild UI
  • More words in MOTD/Info tabs
  • Allow the Guild Master to send mail to all once a day
  • Give an option to kick and ban players from the guild via BNet Account so all alts are kicked and banned as well
  • Maybe we could have badges that could be in guild chat to distinguish certain positions?
  • Automatic promotion based off of certain variables (reputation, contribution, etc.)

Those are all of the ideas I had, though! Feel free to reply if you have any more ideas or just don’t like these and have better solutions! This is honestly what I think we need to bring guilds into 2018 the right way!

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Honestly it’s better than not trying at all. You can’t get anywhere at all if you don’t at least try to put your voice out there. We all know that Blizzard has gone corporate as hell because of Activision, but they’ve listened before.

It’s people like you who hinder our progress, honestly. ;/

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