The more I think about it… Vyranoth makes less sense…

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So she was imprisoned for 10000 years, stuck in the same prison as her brothers and no doubt hear constant complaints of injustice and smelling gas.

Was released, only to see her sister, the storm eater die in front of her eyes.

After seeing Fyrakk being evil for what has to be at most a few weeks to a month, she decides to betray her only family at this point, to join forces with the life binder, who imprisoned her for 10000 years and was probably the person who her brothers complained about the most other than the titans while they were imprisoned?

That actually does not make any sense.

  1. If it wasn’t for the life binder, she would still be in prison because all of the aspects at this point were trying to stop the storm eater from releasing them.

  2. She saw her sister, the storm eater, sacrifice herself to free her. Her death was caused by heroes who were under the order of the aspects.

  3. I don’t think Fyrakk turned evil over night. If he was evil, it was likely that he was evil 10000 years ago as well (more on this later), and yet Vyranoth was on his side 10000 years ago. But all of a sudden he is too “evil” now.

  4. Fyrakk is her only family left, and the only other choices are the aspects who imprisoned her for 10000 years.

  5. The primary mission of the incarnates is to protect our world. Fyrakk being evil and power hungry does not stop him from being a protector of our world. (More on this later).

Besides, even though Fyrakk is too “evil” now, being power hungry and being a protector of this world does not go against each other. He can be both power hungry and be a protector of this world.

The life binder, who I believe is a reliable source, once said that among the incarnates, Fyrakk was the one who is most aligned with the storm eater’s beliefs. Which is basically: titan bad, the aspects betrayed them, and protecting our world.

It is possible that he was also power hungry in addition to all of the above but it was clearly not so significant that the life binder noticed to mention that.

How his personality changed from being a protector of our world and possibly power hungry to just plain power hungry I don’t know.

Again Fyrakk wanted the power of the world tree for himself, that does not mean he is not a protector of our world because claiming the power of the world tree, while that is not a good thing for the night elves, does not put our world in danger.

I don’t think it makes sense for Vyranoth to betray Fyrakk, her only family, for being evil for a few weeks to a month because Fyrakk can still be a protector of our world (which is a large part of being an incarnate) and be power hungry evil at the same time.

I feel like we are missing a part of the story for Dragonflight.

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Maybe they could have had more lead up to it but i do think her motivation makes sense.

In the cutscene that seemed to set it off Fyrakk was going to take pleasure in the murder of an innocent. I think it was his taking pleasure in it that showed Vyranoth that Fyrakk is interested more in himself than the world.

I think it is reasonable to see Fyrakk as a potential obstruction to the primalists goal. There is also the issue of the void which i think Vyranoth could sense out of Fyrakk.

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Blizzard Writing 101: If You Don’t Know What’s Going On, Neither Do The Players

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If my brother became an arsonist I would help stop him.

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Fyrakk’s plan would’ve destroyed the world. Vyranoth wanted to liberate it from the Titans, but she explicitly did NOT want to destroy the world, he specifically went AGAINST the cause the incarnates supposedly fought for. She had no choice but to go against him, since he would basically just be burning it all. She also had no choice but to go to Alexstrasza since she couldn’t stop him on her own. She was going to just go off on her own, until Alexstrasza convinced her that we might not succeed without her help.

This is all explained in cutscenes. Yeah it would’ve been nice to see what kind of negotiating she did with Alexstrasza offscreen…but it’s not hard to imagine. But if you talk to Vyranoth later, she says that while all is not instantly forgiven, she’s willing to work with Alextrasza for now because “she agreed to listen, and that’s a start”.

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Ohh boy do i have a book to sell you explaining the missing context…

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She knew the tree had nothing to do really with the titans and if that thing got roasted, the entire planet would be next.

Kinda can’t call the titans out on their nonsense if you’re dead

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Eh… not exactly. Don’t forget, even Alex said they were all as clutchmates once upon a time. So they were all close.

I kinda feel like she took a look at how vengeance and power blinded them— which didn’t help their entire cause— and figured there had to be a better way where she wouldn’t end up dead and she might be able to get through to them.

Also: there’s a lot in the book. Which I haven’t read.

Yeah, there’s a novel on all of this. Which is why we’re all kinda like, “… bwuh?”

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Shadowflame corrupts. Dude was literally bathing in it.

Fyrakk no longer cared about any lofty goals they may have once had after that. And Vyranoth figured that defying the Titan’s plans wouldn’t really matter if Fyrakk burnt everything to ash anyway. End of the day, ALL the dragons are her kin (Titan influence or no), so fixating on the Incarnates specifically doesn’t really matter.

Also, I’m sure being abandoned by Iridikron didn’t help. He presumably knew (or guessed) what would happen to Fyrakk after he sent him down to Neltharion’s playground…so she presumably had to contend with the idea that maybe she’d just been used all along like Fyrakk had.

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The all consuming flame must dance
:dancer:

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You’ve made the grave mistake of

A) Paying attention to Nu-Lore
2) Trying to make sense of it

The writing has been in the toilet for years and years, which is a shame because it used to be interesting and pretty cool.

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She had elaborated she was upset with what Fyrakk was doing and that he no longer was himself or cared for what drove them at the beginning. She also expressed how close she was with Alexstrasza before the war. I don’t see how her brother going insane and Alex being willing to offer olive branch makes no sense why she chose dragon lives over world ending, which stays consistent with the first thing we learn of her.

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Look I didn’t want to do this.
Fundamentally the lore for WoW won’t make sense because the goal is continuity rather than realism, aka a race will never fully be wiped off, a continent will never be destroyed, people will forgive 30 years of a literal murderous race war (lordaeron humans + Gilneas vs forsaken now against the SC).

But Vyranoth’s change in loyalty is not a strange event all considered.

Here’s why;

Yes they were all understandably mad at that point.

They were in different orbs and were likely in stasis as the dialog between the three are already very opposing to one another from the get go.

Alexstraza and the titan aspects won against them before, yet it was she who showed mercy and kept them alive as they were of the same clutch brood.

Yes because when they were last fighting it was a titan vs incarnate war with Razageth the crazy sister leading the incarnate side. She is now gone.

Bear in mind they are all family. The life binder who is her brood is willing to talk to her. This conversation happens only after failed talks with her fellow incarnates.

Fyrakk fights her and is willing to torture people and has a ‘whatever it takes approach’. Which she does not want to continue. She even takes another chance on him after the initial spark of discord between them.

Iridikron has told her he wants no part in the war and has his own journey, part of which we see in the rise of the infinites.

She didn’t suddenly change her mind towards him. He be torturing people and she didn’t like it.

It’s when he then starts force transforming Druids that she turns tail. But she was even willing to see his idea first, even after the video above.

Yeah the ones willing to talk with her. I don’t want to do spoilers incase you haven’t read this part but Iridikron is still very much alive. Perhaps they have talked ;).

See above video. Instead of protection he was altering which was too much.

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We are. Vyranoth’s character is thoroughly explored in the War of the Scaleborn novel that released last year. Absolutely fantastic book that added a lot of much needed context to the events of Dragonflight. I wish more of what the novel had told had made it into the game, though.

I ended up really liking Vyranoth’s character and her turnaround in DF felt a lot less random after I read the book. I don’t think players should have to read an external novel for the game’s story to make sense, though.

Vyranoth and Alexstrasza were really, really close once upon a time. Out of all of the other Incarnates, however, Vyranoth only really cared for Raszageth. She was the last to become an Incarnate after refusing to join them for many years despite repeated invitations. Vyranoth only became an Incarnate after learning about the stolen Proto-Dragon eggs, and Alexstrasza’s complicitness in their conversion.

Fyrakk was always hotheaded and was described as being as dumb as a bag of rocks even before his imprisonment.

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Vyranoth betrayed Fyrakk because he was straying from the path they had set forth, to undo the work of the titans.

They had no interest in killing other dragon kind… razageth wanted revenge and to destroy the aspects.

Fyrakk went from power hungry to crazy because of the shadowflame which was primal flame mixed with void corruption due to nzoth.

So you have a power hungry psycho now who just wants to see the world burn the same way neltharion did as deathwing.

Fyrakk quite literally became Deathwing 2.0.

Vyranoth saw both her brothers stray from the incarnates ideals to siding with the void. Alextraza wanted Vyranoth to side with them to stop her brothers from destroying Azeroth. “The enemy of my enemy.”

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There was no “primary mission” of the incarnates, and none of them were out to protect the world. Each had a reason to hate the Titans, each had a different reason to join up and each wanted a different outcome. Except ol’ Fyrakk. He was just out to have a good time.

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Next’s weeks class: As long as something cool/flashy/big is consistently happening players will forget where they are and how they got there.

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All I know is the incarnates are power hungry and evil but that doesn’t mean they can’t be the protector of our world but they can’t be the protector of our world because they’re power hungry and evil but not overnight they were power hungry and evil while protecting our world from power hunger and incarnate evil.

I think that about sums up the OP.

All joking aside, not sure why the OP developed amnesia when it came to ̶G̶a̶r̶r̶o̶s̶h̶ I mean Fyrakk being corrupted by shadow flames or how he was torturing a young dragon right in front of his sister.

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The tree do have a tiny bit to do with the titans. The Emerald Dream itself was created by a titan. However sad titan also happened to be the more rebellious one of them. Titans like that could have been reasoned with.

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I don’t know, man. I for one do not have 10k years for her to change her mind. I need this done in one patch.