The Modern Horde and the Public Eye

The Modern Horde Sucks, And Players Are Noticing

Took them a while to catch up for my money, but I’m seeing this sentiment showing up in the wild a lot more often these days. Taliesin & Evitel video featuring jokes about Horde not being in TWW, and Halduron’s impending doom, now Bellular is dropping a full length video discussing the topic at length.

Would have appreciated a deeper dive in some segments, like Ebonhorn shunting his Tauren history almost entirely in DF, but it is still nice to have eyes on it with a larger reach to percolate the topic into a higher sphere of prominence.

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I’m still amazed we had an entire expansion focused heavily on the elements and not a single shaman showed up in the main story.

Where was Thrall? Elements AND dragon aspects should have had Thrall all over it.

Blizzard doesn’t seem to know how to write races other than humans and night elves. And dwarves which they just treat like drunk humans.

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While “yes”, their solution to realizing they have forgotten about The Horde again can’t always be a Thrall cameo. The Horde is the Shaman faction, though. It is the one slice of quasi-Cosmic that they can lay claim to, one that should ground them overwhelmingly in expansions themed around Worldsouls, who by their very nature influence the elemental forces taking shape around them.

I’d like to say there’s a common misconception that there’s just no room for a story based on Horde themes, but it is probably more accurate to say there are too many people suffering from a crucial lack of imagination.

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Indeed, everyone always forgets that:

  • the Earthen Ring is TAUREN ORIGIN ORGANIZATION AND THEIR HEADQUARTERS IS CANONICALLY THUNDERBLUFF
  • Ebonhorn is a Tauren shaman for 10 thousand years, it is part and parcel his identity
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I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem that Horde doesn’t have cosmic forces empowering them, it works with the scrappy underdog feeling the Horde’s supposed to have.

The problem is that Blizzard just always uses the races tied to cosmic forces like it’s a Pokemon game and they’re matching types.

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Good video. I’d argue the Horde was fatally mishandled as early as MoP, especially now we know Alliance player disgruntlement motivated Garrosh’s heel turn in the writing room, but that was before all goodwill was exhausted. Forget it now.

He’s also correct in that Lor’themar, thus far the only beneficiary of the warchief->council transition, will find this a tainted blessing when he runs into the same irrelevance and expendability that killed Vol’jin in stories told through a blue lens. Problems he looks set to be facing presently.

Neutral Azeroth is really not to the Horde’s benefit.

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Can’t even use “but Highmountain is not a part of Dragonflight’s story!” as an excuse, because they went out of their way to drag Mayla out there.

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Yeah. I prefer the Cosmic stuff as window dressing instead of A Plot. It has led to a lot of, frankly, DBZ tier storytelling and characterizations.

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:face_exhaling: Not to rub salt in the wound, but it was also recently “Clarified” — That the majority of Silvermoon →

WON’T

in fact be “Horde only” … The Alliance will be able to access the MAJORITY of Silvermoon.

  • A whole entire 2/3s of Silvermoon will be available, whereas only a 1/3 of it will be Horde only :upside_down_face:

And what’s more pressing is that:

Unlike Bel’ameth or Gilneas:

Silvermoon will have a whole range of numerous NPCs, portals and many utilities that the Alliance can all access.

  • Unlike what the Horde can in the Alliance cities …

:person_shrugging: Because you know → They wanted to make things: “fAiR” :crazy_face:

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When they inevitably remake an Alliance city you will get the same access. That is fair!

Or maybe they will drop the faction restrictions altogether.

I don’t really care, I’ll take the wins this preview has rolled out. I think it was dumb to expect Alliance not to meaningfully participate in the hub. So long as the story regards Silvermoon as a Horde capital and it remains so, I’m happy with that particular situation.

We’ve got Silvermoon remaining a Horde capital, Liadrin taking some prominence, an updated Quel’thalas, the Amani getting a whole zone and involved storyline that isn’t “punching bags again” that is set to add some troll options (with a heavy does of hinting that playable Amani are in the works), a Haranir zone that (while I’m not excited about the Haranir themselves) is going to feature some older school Emerald Dream/Nightmare lore and potentially the missing Old God. All of this kicked off with a cinematic that gives us Lor’themar looking and acting like a boss. As far as lines that go hard, “You can’t even break one elf” might be the hardest of goers I’ve witnessed in a WoW cinematic.

I went into this reveal expecting to check off half of my Midnight Doomer Bingo and quit the game for good, but I came away feeling pretty good.

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What, remake a garbage city that no one cares for in comparison to Silvermoon? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

:unamused: Yeah, sure.

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We will likely get a new draenei capital. Like it or not those are objectively beautiful.

Heck you can see a glimps of it by looking at Karabor or AU Shatrath.

If it’s on par with Shattrath and Auchindoun from alternate Draenor?

:thinking: Along with: a handful of Naaru → to give it a sense of divine and awe, like Silvermoon has with its magics and powerful light, infused by the Sunwell? :grin: Honestly, then maybe perhaps.

That’s a compromise I could maybe somewhat reasonably accept, I suppose. Depending on the awe-factors, how well they do it, the size & scope – along with what can be used & utilised.

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Well duh, think of it this way, whatever effort gets put into Silvermoon will be put into any new Alliance city hub.

Disagree only on Exodar… because its not updated to be fully repaired. Yet.

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Whatever the new draenei capital will be I dont think it will be the Exodar. It was never meant to be that. It should have been Shatrath. So it would be something similar to Shatrath in AU Draenor, minus the demons

Except that’s not how it works, in reality.

If they truly made things equal → Then the Horde would have:

  • FAR more epic heroism scenes and influence within the major confinements of the story

as opposed to just the trivial narratives, being side characters, villainsor not even there at all.

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I’m going to scrap my post and just quote yours in full, because these are my exact feelings on the matter and you could’ve conceivably sued me for plagiarism.

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Wait what about the Writer Room? I must have missed that but Jesus. Can’t we have anything nice?

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