The MMR system for PVP is NOT WORKING!! It rewards some and punishes others, but it isn’t fair. I have been stuck under 1600 for almost 2 months. Played hundreds of games. I certainly have earned new and better gear but I can’t get it. It depends on 9 other players whom I have no control. The group tag says 1500+, but there are 1350 and 1400’s that I can’t see or check before I start. And I should not have too. I don’t have time to check and verify the others in the group. I am at the mercy of the group leader. Other times the leader is 1400 and he invites all better and higher rated and next thing I know I am carrying him and his buddies.
Some people are using ratings and are getting carried. Some teams are purposely losing games to lower their MMR only to stomp their way back to even higher ratings. What’s with that BS?? I would avoid rated all together and join random games but I can’t get gear until I hit a specific rating and none are provided in random only in rated.
I could pick up gear with world bosses and events but you have limited that option and at the same time destroyed world PVP. No wonder people are leaving Blizz like rats. You keep f-ing up everything. I joined Kyrian for Divine Toll and you destroyed that and switching Necrolords is nearly impossible due to the stupid Renown System. I am exalted in a number of fractions but all I get is crap cosmetics. I don’t care if I have wings instead of shoulders!! I don’t get off on looks. My joy is winning games, going in and applying my skills in combat and coming out on top. Everything else is fluff.
SO FIX THIS CRAPPOLA AND DO IT QUICK OR I AM GONE with the rest of the rats!!! I have been with you since the beginning, that like 16 years or 192 months at $14.99/mo or $2,878.08 US. This is the worst expansion ever!!!
Did you add in new expansion costs?
I couldn’t agree more. I’m stucked below 1400 because we’re facing all the time groups with higher item levels. Pairing groups only by rating is ridiculous. Queues ignoring totally ilvl when it makes a huge difference and when the game demands you have a minimum rating to upgrade gear is a nonsense. I had a match where almost all the other team was higher rating and the score window said that the average rating was the same, as a result we couldn’t kill only a single enemy during all the match. How could we have a fair game (in rated pvp) when u have to face enemies with better items? Just fix this queue system to consider ilvl than rating or remove that stupid rating requirement to upgrade conquest pvp items.
is this bait?
43% win rate at 1400 after 200 games is a you problem, idk dude.
You do know CR really has nothing to do with MMR. Someone with 1300 CR can have over a 2k MMR…
is this bait, you’re 2k with 800 games played 
I started doing RBGs a few weeks ago so I could get some upgrades. I play regularly with the same group of players. We seem to be stuck around 1400 for many of the reasons the OP mentioned.
Now my situation is this. I do randoms and get deleted by players 10-12 ilevels higher than me. I do RBG’s and get deleted by players with 10-12 ilelvels higher. I have hit a wall for rating and have no way to upgrade my gear due to rating requirements.
I have no intention of participating in Blizzard’s version of “Pay to Win”. I do believe I’m done with PvP until Blizzard removes gated upgrades. It’s just not fun.
The group tag says 1500+, but there are 1350 and 1400’s that I can’t see or check before I start.
You totally can. Keep armory/check pvp up in your browser for people you can’t inspect.
And I should not have too.
You don’t have to, but it helps.
Other times the leader is 1400 and he invites all better and higher rated and next thing I know I am carrying him and his buddies.
I don’t even join groups before I look the leader up unless I see btags/guildies in the group.
Some teams are purposely losing games to lower their MMR only to stomp their way back to even higher ratings. What’s with that BS??
No one is doing that at your MMR, that’s just stuff that gets sensationalized on the forums.
The good news is your MMR isn’t super low for your CR, so if you vet your groups a little better you’ll be back to gaining big with a couple wins. I hope your season ends up in a better place, good luck.
This very same argument happens in the Dungeon forums and gets squashed with the same contradiction every time.
You have complete control over the groups you join and press queue with as well as complete control over the people who join your group (if you lead obviously.)
You’re at the mercy of nobody.
Just like fake and private advertisement happens irl, it happens in game too. Nobody is responsible for vetting something for you in the real world except for you; same goes here.
There’s plenty of tools out there; armory, check-pvp and arenamate.net just to name a few, as well as inspecting the leader and comparing achievements.
mmr and gearing systems dont work, ludus labs proved it
where have I complained about my 3s rating??? first season healing too. glad you still have a crush on me though lil guy
This. I have experienced same problem here. I can’t progress because they are matching higher ilvls with the lower ones. This rating requirements to upgrade items is ridiculous.
I’m sorry that isn’t the reason why. You can see from my screen shot and post.
I’m down with talking with you and trying to figure out what misstep you are doing to help fix your problem.
It’s called Pvp-check dot fr If you’re filling a group in under 10 mins you’re doing better than me. Have a browser open or your phone open and if you put 1500CR and they aren’t 1400+ boot them. It takes 20 secs to check a person. The thing is most people are going to want to queue about 50 points above their CR to keep from losing too many points which is fine. You just don’t want people 100+ below. If you’re trying to get 1600 and struggling wait until 1800 when the mmr system has you fighting all 220 average ilvl people when you’re mostly 213
if the crush helps you from not breaking down again I’ll let you pretend it’s there.
i can already see it coming, you ran from the 3 week lie, now you’ll run too.
btw that 3s is still terrible regardless of learning to heal
If the intent is to reward certain types of players and punish everyone else, then it is “working” according to design standards.
This really is a problem. I’m all for sticking it out with groups that I think are serious, but if I want to get a decent group, I’m required to not play the game for a lot longer. And anytime you’re rewarded for not playing the game, we have a real problem.
I need to find a group that at minimum is half a bracket above me. So if I’m 1500 I look for 1550 groups. I need them to be on comms, preferably in-game so it’s telling me who is speaking, and a logical shot-caller. That’s the bottom.
Then for ideal play I need someone who is brutal about who they let into the group, someone who comes with dedicated players who won’t bail constantly, and people who have their crap together so I’m not given “thinking out loud” plans 3 different times before the game starts. These are wants not needs, but mother of god does it make a difference.
Playing RBGs is like buying a house. I want all of those things, I need to figure out the ROI on the mixed bag of what I want/what I get with a given team, and I need an agent to tell me if these clowns are as legit as they’re billing themselves as.
No one wanted LFG or Solo Que because “it kills community” but the community you get is bad BECAUSE of Group Finder. It’s hyper toxic, and the only thing I’ve found that makes friends is good players, and repeated wins.
RBGs should all go up to 15 players, and people cant join with groups of as many as 5. Allow friendship to develop, but not at the cost of quality game play - or playing the game period.
Just make your life easier and and try and join 1700 groups at 1500 and say you are 2.1 xp 
Group finder does not drive people to be toxic and Solo-queue isn’t going to fix your problems above. You’re going to QQ about the same thing and have even less control over who you play with.
I wonder how every raid team, 3s team and RBG team managed to do it before even LFG was implemented.
Enjoy TBC.