You don’t need to be a sweaty try hard to do well in this game that’s just a misconception
Congrats, you are using a logical fallacy of applying negative emotion to a response in an effort to avoid addressing the points. You also frame you post as speaking for others while asking Blizzard to disable features for everyone.
Sorry kiddo that game is → that way. Cheers!
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The logs are literally from blizzard
So… what you’re saying is not “Blizzard is working with WCL”, which implies that Blizzard actively supports and agrees with what WCL is doing, but that “Blizzard has a tool to export logs from the game, and WCL is using that tool to post and host these logs.”
In short, you were falsely implying that Blizzard is in any way, working with Archon. They are not.
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Its not impacting YOUR ability to make a group, why would you care
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You don’t need to be a sweaty try hard to do well in this game that’s just a misconception
I agree, but it’s one that parsing culture reinforces by arbitrarily ranking people.
WoW is not a job, nor should player performance be subject to stack ranking reviews like one. Yet, here we are.
The same reason people care about rdf. If it’s added, which it will not be, then content has to be dumbed down for the kiddie table. We’ve been down this road and know what it leads to. Cata will launch soon and it has the training wheels you seem to need. Go enjoy that instead of ruining another version of the game. Cheers!
you can form your own groups and make all the social friends you want.
thats the problem with people that think like this.
they want other people to form whatever notion of social fabric for them instead of making it themselves.
the world has moved on from the good old days where information was hard to get and alot more people were alot more social.
at least you can try to make it for yourself or find a community who thinks like you do.
or you could cry about everyone else not caving to what you deem acceptable.
Parsing adds a good extra layer of progression to pve, and is a good thing to have overall.
The players who are wannabe elite and use parses to color by numbers when filling groups are super annoying, but you don’t wanna play with them anyway. Easily avoidable by joining a guild or not playing in a megaserver.
Parses are a tool. People misuse tools all the time.
Source on this?
I can play this game too.
you can form your own groups and make all the social friends you want.
the world has moved on from the good old days where information was hard to get and alot more people were alot more social.
Translation: I don’t want to engage with people, I want to have transactional engagements only.
That’s fine, but you should probably go back to playing COD and Overwatch than an MMO. Social interaction is an important factor, and a lot of the nostalgia for Classic WoW is that fondness for those kinds of things.
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Simple enough - unless and until a Blizzard employee steps forward and says “We are declaring Archon the official log hosting and analysis site of World of Warcraft”, and you see a similar statement and claim on their site, they are not.
trying to put words in my mouth that i diddnt say wont help bolster your argument btw.
i run with 2 different guilds and play the game for mostly social reasons though i do like to try and improve my parses.
i just dont agree that people are entitled to other peoples time money effort or anything really.
and before you say it i help people out randomly all the time.
but because i do it doesnt mean that i expect others to do the same as me.
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Working together doesn’t mean partnership.
I just meant they work together in some capacity because I don’t think enabling advanced combat logging would be at all beneficial without having a site like Warcraft logs compile the data and make it readable.
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trying to put words in my mouth that i diddnt say wont help bolster your argument btw.
You are the one who said “alot more people were alot more social” as if that was a bad thing of the past. Not me. If you agree we should be more social, not less - then you should recognize that requiring parses for groups outside of your clique is detrimental to doing so.
i just dont agree that people are entitled to other peoples time money effort or anything really.
No one has made that claim but you. And you wonder why I referred to your desire to have strictly transactional relationships, you’re quantifying people by “time, money, and effort” - almost as if you view them less as meaningful engagement, and more as… well, a transaction.
Working together doesn’t mean partnership.
In the business world, yes it does. Your wording implies that Blizzard tasks employees to specificially ensure features Archon needs or wants are not affected within the API. When the reality is more Blizzard created an API that they can, and will, change based on their business needs regardless of whether or not Archon exists. And that Archon is prohibited by the ToS from charging for their services, rather than having a niche exemption carved out for their company.
I just meant they work together in some capacity because I don’t think enabling advanced combat logging would be at all beneficial without having a site like Warcraft logs compile the data and make it readable.
Just because Blizzard thought someone could make use of the API, doesn’t mean that they designed the API in mind for Archon to use specifically. Their ‘working together’ is entirely onesided: Archon uses the tool that Blizzard created. Blizzard could care less about Archon’s use of that data as long as it doesn’t harm their IP and business. They are not working together.
So you think it’s just one big coincidence that advanced combat logging happens to be an option and that Warcraft log specifically uses the data and no one else??
I don’t believe in coincidences that big.
Have you tried to read the log blizzard makes with advanced combat logging lol?
Sorry but I think they worked together for logs to be a thing.
heh you have me pegged wrong.
i may have misspoke or lead you to believe something different.
here ill spell it out for you.
the good old days of things being way more social and less information being avaliable are more in the past than anything current and i do mean the good old days.
you have to make the effort to make your own little “pockets of goodness” as i like to call them beit a guild or whatever else community you want to make it by yourself.
to expect other people to automatically follow in whatever train of thought you have is entitled at best and being very unaware how the world works as well.
i make my own pockets of goodness and find like minded people to play with .
i dont expect the world to change for me.
i operate in the rules of the world around me.
just because i help people alot or do “good” things doesnt mean everyone else has to or whatever.
it would be highly arrogant of me to expect other people to behave or operate like me.
So you think it’s just one big coincidence that advanced combat logging happens to be an option and that Warcraft log specifically uses the data and no one else??
You mean like… World of Logs, or WowCardioRaid, Event Horizon Fight Statistics, Wow Log Parser? Those all existed prior to WCL was even an idea.
Just because Archon is the only one surviving now, doesn’t mean it was released for them. The combat log was a thing going back to I wanna say 2006? Archon’s Warcraft Logs didn’t come out until 2013.
I don’t believe in coincidences that big.
No coincidence - just survivorship bias.
I agree.
to expect other people to automatically follow in whatever train of thought you have is entitled at best and being very unaware how the world works as well.
I also agree. Hence why I am arguing against the further continuance of the parsing culture becoming more mainstream, as others seem to think I should automatically follow in whatever train of thought they have as I view it as elitist, exclusionary and toxic to society.
i make my own pockets of goodness and find like minded people to play with .
Excellent, as is your right.
i dont expect the world to change for me.
i operate in the rules of the world around me.
… and now you’ve undermined your own point. You cannot “operate in the rules of the world around me” and simultaneously decry those that “expect other people to automatically follow in whatever train of thought”. The two are at odds with each other. you either are bowing to the entitlement of others who expect parsing to be the norm to the exclusion of others as you operate in the rules of the world, or you are crafting your own world and defending your right to do so.
I believe that you feel you should have the right to associate with however you wish, and that I should the same. But you’d also be annoyed at it if you were the one being forced to submit to the scrutiny of others constantly in a way you felt uncomfortable or unnecessary, I imagine.