Speaking of division and choice:
"Beyond that," he added, "once you play a choice like that, you have to follow it through, so in subsequent quests that come out, you're going to be on the side you pick, and we'll see what comes of that, if you're right or wrong.
Does anyone think there's actually gonna be a right or wrong path? I'm putting my money on Sylvanas being right.
It's stupid that we have a right and wrong choice at all. They said they would bring the horde together. Now it's, be the monsters everyone says you are or be honorable to a fault.
I want the middle ground we were promised. I want the reunification of the dark and light side of the horde. Instead I am going to have to go all in on a storyline that will either blow up in my face or blow up in my face. I don't see a winning scenario for those who like sylvanas and saurfang.
Speaking of division and choice:
"Beyond that," he added, "once you play a choice like that, you have to follow it through, so in subsequent quests that come out, you're going to be on the side you pick, and we'll see what comes of that, if you're right or wrong.
Does anyone think there's actually gonna be a right or wrong path? I'm putting my money on Sylvanas being right.
i am going to laugh if the right choice is the third one where you side with neither, because there was a quest where you side with neither of them
https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=54755/not-my-table
11/09/2018 03:35 PMPosted by
Zamari
That's all I want at this point. Make it called Sylvanas of Sylvanas Craft: Wrath of the Sylvanas Sylvanas. If she's not dragging my whole faction into genocidal edgelord land to show how.... smart(?!) she is? I just don't even care at that point. I can write it off.
I think that's how most of us feel.
Like, you wanted to push Sylvanas out of the Horde because she's been the elephant in the room since Cata and the Forsaken story can't move on until that happens? Great, I've been saying that for seven years and I can link myself to prove it.
But why the !@#$ would you make her Warchief first before pursuing that arc? How does it make the slightest bit of sense to rope the entire Horde into being complicit in the actions that are supposed to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Sylvanas is too evil for the Horde? How does that not defeat the entire purpose?
Speaking of division and choice:
"Beyond that," he added, "once you play a choice like that, you have to follow it through, so in subsequent quests that come out, you're going to be on the side you pick, and we'll see what comes of that, if you're right or wrong.
Does anyone think there's actually gonna be a right or wrong path? I'm putting my money on Sylvanas being right.
It's stupid that we have a right and wrong choice at all. They said they would bring the horde together. Now it's, be the monsters everyone says you are or be honorable to a fault.
I want the middle ground we were promised. I want the reunification of the dark and light side of the horde. Instead I am going to have to go all in on a storyline that will either blow up in my face or blow up in my face. I don't see a winning scenario for those who like sylvanas and saurfang.
Exactly. We fought through MoP to find the soul of the Horde we should not be doing it again. It actually goes back farther than that Rise of the Horde was about the battle for the soul of the Horde. Same thing for Warcraft 2 and 3.
This plot is played out the the nth degree stop the cycle and do something new.
11/09/2018 03:56 PMPosted by
Kazala
Like, you wanted to push Sylvanas out of the Horde because she's been the elephant in the room since Cata and the Forsaken story can't move on until that happens? Great, I've been saying that for seven years and I can link myself to prove it.
But why the !@#$ would you make her Warchief first before pursuing that arc? How does it make the slightest bit of sense to rope the entire Horde into being complicit in the actions that are supposed to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Sylvanas is too evil for the Horde? How does that not defeat the entire purpose?
They didn't even have to push her out they could have used Legion as a start to push her closer to the Horde. But instead of doing something different we get another civil war story.
They've made similar statements regarding how much story Garrosh had as a warchief before MoP.
I want to have some faith in Blizzard that they'll actually realize what they lost with Garrosh that they could still apply to Sylvanas in someway , but the way things are now I doubt we could ever reach that point. Please prove me wrong Blizz.
I'm putting my money on Sylvanas being right.
This would probably pretty badly wound my desire to even continue playing WoW, let alone the Horde, tbh. I'm not going to say it'd -kill- it, exactly but ...Blizzard, guys. No. Not again. It was bad enough with Illidan >_>
i am going to laugh if the right choice is the third one where you side with neither, because there was a quest where you side with neither of them
Given that the Champion's time is being wasted (to be most simplistic), by the war between the Horde and Alliance when the Champ in question needs to SAVE THE WORLD FROM FREAKING DYING BY HEMORRHAGE, I'm at a point where I feel like the third option SHOULD be the right choice. Who cares who wins the war? If everyone dies anyway, the idiot that started the war (cough Sylvanas cough) won't even have peace of death since a certain Old God is more than likely going to step right up and inhale literally everyone's souls because ...that's what evil dark god types do, I guess.
This bloody game... *Smh*
They said they would bring the horde together.
Genuine question, I'm not doubting you I just honestly don't remember. Did they actually say this? What I remember is some fans expecting it after seeing Saurfang and Sylvanas argue at Undercity, but I don't recall Blizzard ever commenting.
11/09/2018 03:56 PMPosted by
Kazala
But why the !@#$ would you make her Warchief first before pursuing that arc? How does it make the slightest bit of sense to rope the entire Horde into being complicit in the actions that are supposed to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Sylvanas is too evil for the Horde? How does that not defeat the entire purpose?
The only reason I can think of is they wanted her in enough of an authority position within the Horde for her to finally act in big enough ways that the rest of the Horde can no longer really ignore "said elephant in the room". She's an issue, she's been becoming a bigger one for over 8 years; but they largely ignored her BS because they needed her Forsaken. If Vol'jin had remained Warchief, he likely would have kicked her !@# out eventually (if the world wasn't in peril every new year).
She's been thrust into the spotlight, she's that tumorous mole you can't ignore anymore. She's finally effecting the HORDE in a perceived negative way, rather than JUST the Alliance (which is all she could really do tucked away on EK). Odds are the Horde will be more unified than it has in years by the end of "BfA" ... once the final scene of her Warbringers comes to fruition and EVERYONE rallies against her (and notice, not even Nathanos stands by her side in that scene).
However, she's also not likely going to get Garrosh'd either... she wont die for a Warchief position she never even wanted.
I canât even meme. What are they thinking? Theyâre making everyone stupid or evil just for her.
They've made similar statements regarding how much story Garrosh had as a warchief before MoP.
And that's one of the other problems. Garrosh had a lot of promise too and you know what? His early beginnings as a Warchief weren't -nearly- as bad as Sylvanas. Sylvanas personally all but ensures the Night Elves might just diminish from existence over the course of generations. Garrosh on the other hand, while definitely making moves to conquer Ashenvale for the Horde, didn't show (at the time as I recall at least) any signs of maniacal genocidal tendencies. He was just trying to improve the Horde's situation through an aggressive take-over of the nearest, largest source of lumber. Okay, cool.
Granted, that story was still contrived as hell given the Night Elves lost in their own HOMELAND advantage but...*shrug*
...kind of makes me want a fourth choice.
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You go to Silithus, and use the Heart of Azeroth to destablize the planet, thereby destroying everything because screw it, might as well just end this vicious cycle and spit in the face of the gods. ...and be a really bad person. Well done, buddy.Just for those who want to watch the world burn, you know? >_>
Based on this, it seems that I will have to wait until the very last patch of this expansion - assuming that's where this dual Horde story line ends - before deciding if Blizzard deserves more of my money.
11/09/2018 03:34 PMPosted by
Kazala
Is there any proof they made that change? This is the first I have heard of it.
If no one else gets to it first, I'll type up the passage when I get home.
The order of events has Arthas leave the field of battle without killing Dranosh, and then everyone left on the field -- including Dranosh specifically -- dies to the Blight.
I so wish I had a copy of Chronicles 3 right now. This sort of retcon feels pretty important if it's true. It'll also feel really really cheap on Blizz's part.
If it's not true, I won't blame you Kazala, this stuff gets really confusing quickly with how Blizz is doing things lately.
11/09/2018 04:04 PMPosted by
Reignac
They said they would bring the horde together.
Genuine question, I'm not doubting you I just honestly don't remember. Did they actually say this? What I remember is some fans expecting it after seeing Saurfang and Sylvanas argue at Undercity, but I don't recall Blizzard ever commenting.
Yeah,
âThere has always been some question as to what the Horde stood for,â said Danuser. âAnd that has changed and evolved over time. Is it this disparate collection of outcasts that nobody will align themselves with? And thatâs why theyâre together, out of necessity? Or is it this group thatâs driven by honor and courage? Players have been able to identify and pull out parts of the storyline that they favor and maybe turn a blind eye to some of the other things, but all of those things have been part of the Hordeâs history.
âWhile weâve had conflicts like the Siege of Orgrimmar, none of those really resolved what the Horde is. Battle for Azeroth is absolutely an opportunity to look at both sides [honorable and evil] that have made up the Horde storylines throughout the years and pull them together. And maybe give a chance for the Horde to look inward and maybe become something new, something stronger than it ever was before.
âWe look at this as an opportunity, and the thing is, to get there, we have to look at those scars that have come along the way. Thatâs the only way we can grow and move beyond, is taking an honest look at the things youâve done, and nobody is exemplifying that path to the Horde more than what Sylvanas and Saurfang and those other heroes are doing. They are embodying the other aspects of what the Horde was. So to get to the future of the Horde, we have to face the Hordeâs past, and face it in a very real and tangible way.â
I am pretty sure they said something similar before, but I can't remember where.
11/09/2018 03:34 PMPosted by
Kazala
...If no one else gets to it first, I'll type up the passage when I get home.
The order of events has Arthas leave the field of battle without killing Dranosh, and then everyone left on the field -- including Dranosh specifically -- dies to the Blight.
I so wish I had a copy of Chronicles 3 right now. This sort of retcon feels pretty important if it's true. It'll also feel really really cheap on Blizz's part.
If it's not true, I won't blame you Kazala, this stuff gets really confusing quickly with how Blizz is doing things lately.
I think the best thing blizzard could have done with the chronicle stuff is to make it an in game history book. So that they could collate all the information they need to flush out events without calling everything into question over parts they get wrong or information they leave out.
Why did we overthrow Garrosh again? Iâd rather have the racism.
Why did we overthrow Garrosh again? Iâd rather have the racism.
Nah, I'd rather burn all Nelves than be racist.
...
wait a minute
11/09/2018 04:08 PMPosted by
Ariiah
They've made similar statements regarding how much story Garrosh had as a warchief before MoP.
And that's one of the other problems. Garrosh had a lot of promise too and you know what? His early beginnings as a Warchief weren't -nearly- as bad as Sylvanas. Sylvanas personally all but ensures the Night Elves might just diminish from existence over the course of generations. Garrosh on the other hand, while definitely making moves to conquer Ashenvale for the Horde, didn't show (at the time as I recall at least) any signs of maniacal genocidal tendencies. He was just trying to improve the Horde's situation through an aggressive take-over of the nearest, largest source of lumber. Okay, cool.
Granted, that story was still contrived as hell given the Night Elves lost in their own HOMELAND advantage but...*shrug*
...kind of makes me want a fourth choice.
-You go to Silithus, and use the Heart of Azeroth to destablize the planet, thereby destroying everything because screw it, might as well just end this vicious cycle and spit in the face of the gods. ...and be a really bad person. Well done, buddy.
Just for those who want to watch the world burn, you know? >_>
To be honest with you, the evil side of things is fun for me, but then you got the Saurfang stuff bringing it down, and while I respect the need to pull things back a little, not to the extreme that he just wants Sylvanas dead so he works with the Alliance it get her out.
Cobra Commander has more nuance than Sylvanas.
I so wish I had a copy of Chronicles 3 right now. This sort of retcon feels pretty important if it's true. It'll also feel really really cheap on Blizz's part.
If it's not true, I won't blame you Kazala, this stuff gets really confusing quickly with how Blizz is doing things lately.
Bingo, found it in one of my old posts, don't even have to type it up again!
The Lich King emerged from the Wrath Gate, joining the fight himself. The very sight of him could have shifted the tide of battle in favor of the Scourge. Yet the Alliance and the Horde refused to flee before his presence. They grimly dug their heels in and fought on. If the Battle at the Wrath Gate had reached its conclusion, it might have spelled the end of the Lich King. But that was not to be.
From a rise overlooking the Wrath Gate, a barrage of plague canisters rained down on all armies and stopped the fighting dead in its tracks. A lethal green fog, capable of killing the living and the undead alike, enveloped the battlefield. The Lich King instantly understood what was happening, and he retreated without hesitation. Everyone left on the field of battle was killed: Bolvar Fordragon and almost five thousand Alliance soldiers, and Dranosh Saurfang and over four thousand loyal Horde followers.
The plague would have spread throughout the entire region and destroyed whomever it touched if not for the red dragonflight. Alexstrasza and her servants descended from the skies and purified the land with enchanted fire. They could not save the fallen, but they did eradicate the plague.
When the smoke cleared, Dranosh's and Bolvar's bodies were missing.