Let me start by saying I am not for or against the debuff cap, I am more just curious why the cap would be removed from the Hardcore realms only.
What’s the logic behind that?
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I am FOR the removal of the debuff limit.
It was a technological limit at best, same with batching.
It doesn’t ruin the spirit of vanilla to remove this limit.
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Ya, leaning slightly towards the “remove it” side of things myself. I just can’t understand the debuff and buff limit removal for HC. Is it to avoid trolling?
It’s never fun getting your world buffs pushed off with hots. So…removing it would kinda be nice.
I found the hardcore launch article here: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23973734/rules-of-engagement-classic-hardcore-is-coming-to-world-of-warcraft
To Buff or Debuff
The 16 debuff limit and 32 buff limits have been removed on Hardcore realms.
Debuff and buff limits were originally a technical limitation in the earliest versions of World of Warcraft and was not a conscious design choice at that time. This aspect of the original release was maintained for the release of WoW Classic in 2019 for authenticity, but this has always been a contentious part of WoW and places significant constraints on build and class diversity. As a result, we will be removing this limitation in Hardcore realms and effectively uncapping buffs and debuffs.
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because more streamers are playing hardcore and prob advocated for it my guess.
That makes almost no sense at all though.
“Debuff and buff limits suck so we are removing it for only this server type”
I just cannot come up with any real reason.
Yikes. Just like when a streamer sellout pushed for Seal of Blood to be brought to Alliance in TBC and Blizz did it. Stomping his feet crying for balance when it suits him but says nothing about Vanilla when the shoe is on the other foot.
Absolutely pathetic to be pandering to these people if that is truly the reason for making this buff limit change for HC.
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By linking that, I’m basically saying that Blizzard themselves agree that this shouldn’t be present.
I’m making this case on the PTR feedback forum here:
It was originally your case, I will credit you for the crossover.
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yeah i wonder who could have do that lol
Me personally i want no changes. i want the old 45 min black lotus timers. no chronoboon. old ranking system. also no end date, having an end date just sucks.
Who knows i wouldnt be surprised if they change the debuff limit still.
Pve server can have chronoboon or even an npc that gives them buffs in the raid when they zone in. Pvp server should have no chronoboon imo.
With these changes theyve added, def not playing. and i played 2019 like crazy, even era. This just feels like a fresh era basically.
Great, don’t play. There was a huge community poll done and most people want small changes. There was already a no changes vanilla in 2019.
just because a lot of people want something, doesnt mean it should be changed. look at sod.
Not a good example. Like I said before, people want small changes to classic and SoD was far too much. Removing the debuff limit does not even come close to the heavy-handed changes we saw in SoD.
People who want changes to classic dont enjoy classic, why should we value their input? Classic is enjoyable because of how it was. You cant just do 1 change. one change opens the door to many others. small changes are huge is what youre not understanding. what would be a small change? Every change they have done is huge.
So true, everyone is wrong but you. Glad you’re speaking on behalf of the classic community that doesn’t agree with you. Era servers are right there for you to go play and do GDKPs on.
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so bots are ok in classic?
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Where did that come from? I didn’t say anything about bots. I don’t buy botted gold. Of course I don’t want them in the game. I don’t want GDKPs either. Or boosters. If Blizzard was able to completely remove gold selling from the game then I would be 100% okay with GDKPs. But the fact of the matter is, GDKPs distribute dirty gold to 40 people instead of the few who risk it to buy gold.
But we’re talking about removing the debuff limit, which doesn’t cheapen the wow classic experience whatsoever.
Yeah it’s a little disingenuous to talk about maintaining the sanctity of the classic experience down this silly variable while at the same time obliterating the honor system to casualize it for streamers and dads.
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You mentioned gdkps, and so against that. But saw no mention of you against bots is all.
This version already has changes i dont see why they wouldnt change debuff limit tbh. This isnt close to classic.
Also still waiting on what you consider a small change to be
That’s exactly my point. The no changes people aren’t going to play this anyway. And the debuff limit is just a technical limitation that we now have a way to overcome. It’s not something that makes the game better.
To be clear, I want all bots permabanned. If they can take RMT out of the game then sure, have your GDKPs. I just see it as another loot system. But it’s completely marred by real money transactions.
Fresh will have 5 thousand r14s 7 weeks after the honor system lands on the same reset day.
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So you dont think people will rmt to buy flasks and other such to raid? They will just show up with no consumes? So youre telling me, only people who buy gold are gdkps. You dont think the dad gamer with no time to farm gold is buying gold to make raid?