Yet a major world religion does have a counterpart in the Kyrian doctrine: Buddhism. Attachments = Unhappiness/No Satisfactoriness.
Kyrian appears to have a âWesternâ appearance (heaven) with Buddhist undertones. Even though most Buddhist sects would say there is no permanent soul (that would be much against the Dharma/Teaching).
I agree with an above personâs post, it rubs most âWesternâ people wrong because it works to a collective goal for harmony and not an individual goal. When most âWesternâ cultures stress value to individuality over the collective. (America is showing this when you contrast it with Japan/Korea with handling COVID19 for example and to showcase why I say most âWesternâ cultures; see New Zealand)
(I put âWesternâ in quotes because itâs unfair to use the east/west dichotomy due to the breath of cultures being associated and isnât accurate academically)
Everyone keeps referring to it as a cult, but does it really sound any different than the military or joining any religion (not just Scientology). Thereâs a reason Christianity refers to its priests as shepherds and its followers as a flock.
I havenât read through all the comments, but I canât be the only person that sees Kyrian as WoWâs version of angels, which serve God without question (or become fallen). That would also make Kyrian Servants like cherubs.
All of the shadowlands realms sound like hell to be fairâŚ
The Maw is eternal fear and torment
Revendreth is eternal torture
Bastion forces you to forget who you were
In Ardenweald you are either trapped in your own memories until you are reborn, or your trapped in the body of a woodland creature and slowly draining away everything that is you until your just goneâŚ
And Maldraxxus⌠âwelcome to your afterlife, now go fight to the death⌠donât worry weâll put your afterlife corpse to use⌠youâre soul will be destroyed, but weâll make use of youâ
Yet your post and last paragraph speaks to that you do value your own Self (identity) over the collective.
That is his point.
I have grown up in two different cultures where those values are flipped.
âWho wouldnât fear the loss of self?â = Many Buddhist adherents, monks/nuns, laymen and followers.
âI think anyone who doesnât either does not care for themselves much or hasnât thought it through.â When the I is you, then it is neither, both, and nothing. What do you have to think less? When your imply thinking of others in as regard to I (self), as lesser?
âAs I asked someone else, would you undergo a lobotomy if I said that it was for the greater good?â Maybe, if given the evidence.
The problem is with the assumption the Kyrian do force them to forget âthemselvesâ when they ask souls who arrive to walk the path at their own pace (saying it could eons, which goes against this whole âno free willâ argument), let go of memories that (in their world manifest as real) haunt them and not all memories, and serve for the Purpose (great good).
The Kyrian do not worship or give to One person or âthingâ really (now the first group we meet in Oribos*sp? )
Christianity and Islam are modern thriving large cults by the definition. Most who use the term cults do want to defame and it now carries the baggage of being âoffâ, âwierdâ, âwrongâ, âbrain washingâ and âsmallâ rather than what it really means. Which is utter reverence for a personality or person.
They allow their members to do as they will and only ask them to come to their trials in their own time.
Freedom of speech protects you from the government. Most democratic countries in the world give the same allowance. Itâs not unique, especially when you consider our whole country was founded on ancient Greek and Roman principles.
I thought all they did was in the name of the Arbiter.
Nope they do it for the Purpose (what the Kyrians have been tasked to do). I havenât finished the playthrough of all of SL but itâs been cryptic what is the Purpose and who even the first ones are.
The first group do, they do it for the Arbiter. THAT is cultish by definition.
I got the impression the souls picked their animal forms. Seeing as how there were quite a few humanoid spirits around, and the animals themselves said they chose what fitted them best.
doesnât change what is happening to them though⌠them choosing their animal form is like a prisoner being given a choice of color for their jumpsuit, or paint for their shackles.
Ardenweald is arguably the least hellish of the Shadowlands⌠but itâs still a hell when you actually pay attention to what is happening there. Those who are âsleepingâ and awaiting rebirth are blissfully unaware that their entire existance can be snuffed out on a whim by any number of denezins of Ardenweald. While those who are living out their afterlife in Ardenwealed itself are quite litteraly draining their very existance into the wildseeds. If you pay close attention, the cognative abilities of the spirits slowly diminish as they give more anima. The humanoid spirits (not counting the Night Elves) are the remnants of those who have given all the anima they can give, they are barely even there and just drifting about waiting for someone else to give to them so they can go on existing, or drain what little they have left and end their existance.
In terms of psychology, that doesnât actually make any sense. Selflessness is a TAUGHT behavior. You canât be selfless if you forget who you are or you forget the reasons you developed your entire moral code.
Itâs also extremely hard to be empathetic if you donât know or remember what itâs like to have lived a certain struggle.
A brainless soldier is not altruistic, they are just a tool following orders under someone elseâs moral code.
So, Iâm not saying Felsworn are better, but the Kyrian are honestly stupid.
EDIT: to quote Illidan - âI am my scars.â
Illidanâs âsacrificeâ made sense because of what he has suffered. If he suddenly forgot who he was, his sacrifice would mean nothing⌠it wouldnât even be a true sacrifice. He probably wouldnât even make the choice.
Well youâre right. That is the flaw of the Kyrians and fortunately the Archon realizes this after the death of Devos.
She tells you it may be time for Kyrians to reconsider how they handle ascension and memories. So there are signs of reforming the system without joining The Jailer like devos did.