The issue with arms warriors

Preface: I think arms warriors are overpowered. They have 12.5% representation at 2200, which is the most a dps spec has had since 2013. Bfa season 4 lock had 9.5% representation, for reference. Source : https ://www.arenamate.net/representation-charts (remove space).

The biggest issue with arms warriors is that their cooldown timers on their spells simply are too short, and leave no window to ever die. Intervene has a 30 second cd, spell reflect has a 25 second cd , defensive stance has a 0 second cd.

DBTS used to be a 3 minute cooldown , but it is reduced to 2 minutes in SL and a conduit reduces it to 88 seconds (82 seconds next patch). Why did this receive a 100% buff ?

They also have war banner on 1.5 minutes and commanding shout on 2 minutes with pvp talents .

IMO, arms warrior is the most complete class in the game and I dont want to see it removed. I would like to see these cooldown timers looked at , though. Spell reflect and intervene should be a 1 minute cooldown minimum , die by the sword should be 2 minute CD with conduit , 2:30 without .

Arms warrior has an answer for every single go.

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6 second cd but yeah you can sit d stance

Sure intervene but why spell reflection? It got nerfed into shadowlands to only reflect one spell. Very annoying to have it fireblasted off last .1 seconds of a poly cast.

Not sure what youre going for here. The game needs more abilities like this. Very high skillcap to use.

So nerf it so its not complete? Seems like the wrong way to go about things.

Warriors are very strong but i think you missed the main issue with warrior and thats condemn spammers with charge execute?

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I actually disagree that this is the main issue. It’s definitely a big one, but I’d rather see warrior defensive utility brought in line before any damage changes. The charge is the only real problem with condemn IMO.

At this point I expect more warrior buffs by this team

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Warriors damage profile is strong but actually pretty well balanced compared to a lot of other classes . Maybe auto-charge on condemn should have an internal cooldown.

The damage profile only seems absurd since it’s on an immortal class that has all its cooldowns up every go.

Also, not every comp has a good answer to spell reflect FYI. It is practically impossible to clone a warrior who plays correctly.

Why it should be easy though? I reflect cyclones of bad druids and win but good druids just fake it and wait for reflection to end or get rid of it by using a useless spell first.

You also complain about 2 min rally, do you know how long 2 min is? It was 1 min pre-nerf and I found the nerf accurate as a warrior main. 1 min rally was overpowered, you could just press 45% hp increase button for 15 sec every go.

No Condemn Charge = Trash Warrior . Without condemn charge warrior will drop off meta like how holy paladins dropped and lost their place to Resto Droods and HolyPriests in a week.

Uhh…
Its practically impossible to stop clones vs a druid that plays correctly.
Isnt that just saying the enemy is playing better?

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this is probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen written on these forums

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Absolutely provably false. Warriors were still dominating when they were kyrian.

Warriors could straight up not have a covenant and still be OP.

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Yea, play without covenant then.

#NoCovenantChallenge

I started as Kyrian yeah, Kyrian were dominating part is not wrong but after evolution of meta Kyrian felt weak.

Meta is not the same meta it was during 9.0.

Actually, if you re-read my post I didn’t ask to nerf banner or rally. Rally at 2 minutes is fine.

Intervene and spell reflect every 25-30 seconds , and die by the sword on 90 second cd (80 next season) are an issue , though.

Literally every other class in the game has defensives that you work through then kill the class . Arms is the exception- their cooldowns are up every go.

If you stun warrior, they won’t have parry unless they pre parry. It isn’t like Pain Supression, not usable in stuns. Parry is 90 sec cd 30% damage reduction, greater fade is 45 sec +50% movement speed and immune to damage, part of a class with big shadowmend heals.

Briefly, in this game almost every class have short defensive cooldowns.

Btw, you can start by swapping your covenant so that you’ll have more chance in arena. I understand getting free 2100 in rbg as fae boomkin was appealing but in arena you should play Kyrian boomkin, learn to play it properly then rethink upon what is issue and what is not an issue related to other classes.

My 3.1 k exp friend was claiming how op warrior is blabla before making a warrior alt, he saw the truth himself, it isn’t as op as it looks from outside.

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For a name like forumgodx i didnt expect you to spit some truth

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Moonkin is absolutely overpowered in RBG. It is the arms warrior of rbg. I never did an rbg in my life and went 0-2100 in 2 weeks on a 190 ilvl alt (also my first time playing boomie).

Arms warrior is equally OP in arena. The stats don’t lie - arms warrior is the most OP spec since season 14 in early 2013.

It is a meme name I intentionally chose :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

If stats don’t lie, Warrior is less popular than Rogues, Hunters, Druids, Paladins and Priests recently. Also, there are too many warriors that stopped queing after metashift. People parked their warriors and stopped queing because current meta doesn’t favour warriors like it used to right after launch. There is no disc priests to PvE down, instead there is Resto Druids to chase and if they are good there is no way to kill them without help.

https://i.imgur.com/XMsv80k.png

Arms was B tier aka trash tier last patch?

Yeah true warriors were unplayable when they were Kyrian

Oh wait

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Would you mind posting your source that rogues , hunters , druids , paladins , and priests are taking over the ladder?

The stats on arenamate were updated today, and show that arms is at 12.5%, and ret at 7%, and spriest / BM hunter / rogue all are below 6%.

Also, you can look up comp stats on ludaslabs and the top teamate at 2400 for spriest is arms warrior. The top teamate for ret is arms warrior.

Would really love to see your source on Warriors falling out of favor.

I mean, are you trying to counter argument yourself.

www.xunamate.com

I never said warrior is not popular but if you seperate pre 9.0.5 and after 9.0.5 popularity it will probably look much more balanced compared to pre 9.0.5.

Xunamate proves decreasing Warrior popularity and as I’ve said there are many warriors sitting at their ratings without activity nowadays, hence some statistics are dead and has no value.

If you really think war would be bad if venthyr was be nerfed (which I’m not even calling for) you’re delusional lol. Even if they made condem not work with death sentence it would be really powerful anyways, but regardless warriors are probably one of the few classes where every covenant is playable

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Yea not sure how the tyranny hasn’t been nerfed yet. Fact that you can run up to 4 moonkins and have one also be the FC is just busted. And now they’re buffing moonkins even more in 9.1. I just don’t have any words for it atm