The illogical design of Alchemy trinkets

I really can’t figure out the logic. Either Blizzard doesn’t want alchemists to make their own higher level trinkets or they want us to buy from farmers and bots.

Currently I have the recipe for the Unbound Alchemists Stone. It takes 175 Zin’anthid to make it. Then , if you want to make the next one up, the Awakened Alchemist Stone, you have to hope you learn it when you make the Unbound one. And to make the Awakened costs another 225 Zin’anthid. AND if you are then lucky enough to learn the recipe for the next one, the Peerless Alchemist Stone, its 300, Zin’anthid.

That’s a (minimum) total of 700 herbs which are only available in one zone, in limited numbers, which is constantly farmed by herb farmers and bots. And its potentially more, if you fail to learn the recipe from making the lower level ones.

In the case of, for example, a leatheworker, all you need for the new patterns is leather, hide, bone and expulsom. There is no severely limited mat required. And I’m presuming the other crafts are the same.

Perhaps someone can explain the logic of this to me, because I’m seriously not seeing it.

PS: Okay, I have been told that the next level recipe is received when you make the one below it, so you don’t need to correct me on that one. Thanks.

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The upgraded recipes are guaranteed on creation of the previous stone, you should be scrapping the lesser stone to get some of your materials back, and continue making the increased stone.

I don’t much understand your comparison with the LW, both require a gathering skill, both require time invested in gathering those ingredients. Just because Leather is less valuable, doesn’t make herbs harder to obtain.

You should look at the requirements to make the JC rings, it’s ridiculous. (I’m so sorry, Jewelcrafters)

I’m not saying the crafting system is any good, but that’s what we have currently.

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You return part of expulsom and herbs if you dismantle old trinket.

And there’s no luck, new recipe is 100% chance to learn

atleast alchemy trinket has no rng with stats involved and there’s only one version

Are you seriously comparing mats that are gained from skinning every beast throughout the entirety of zones in BfA to a single herb that is only available in one small zone that is heavily farmed?

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Alchemist and Jeweller here on my DH.

It’s relatively nicer this patch. Focus progression is no longer purely tied to raid which is nice.

I’m still on the first one but it hasn’t been too bad getting the mats. I do a mix of buying/gathering. Maybe Oceania is more dead, but I don’t see them Flying Tauren groups here.

It can be a challenge to get leather from beasts, too. Idk OP, it’s like professions were an afterthought.

Not the only thing that strikes me as an afterthought, either. I don’t think they play the game.
They just make it.

That’s good to know, I haven’t got that far yet so I wasn’t sure, since in the past certain recipes gained that way were not always guaranteed.

Unsure which mats LW recipes for 8.3 require, but the leather from Nazjatar was def different.

Lw sucks though, not as bad as JC, but it always requires so much raw material.

So your entire argument was predicated on the assumption, because you hadn’t actually created the first alchemist stone?

Gnomes

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You will 100% learn the next recipe once the previous one is crafted and you get like half the mats back from the previous ilvl one. Its not that bad.

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From the bolded parts i can just tell you don’t even know how it works OP and that’s the real illogical thing in your entire post.

We knew about these recipes in advance, and there were months where the mats were dirt cheap to the point few were farming them. When the patch dropped and more importantly, the raid became available then the prices spiked as per usual. Anyone who didn’t bother to gather or buy up when they were super cheap beforehand is their own fault for procrastinating.

I’m wearing the Tier 3 alchemist trinket right now.

So from what a lot of you are saying, you seem to be agreeing with Blizzard that this professions system is fine as it is and I’m foolish to discuss something I still frankly find weird.

I guess my post was a waste of time since obviously everything is aok with proffs in BfA. You may return to your scheduled programs.

I mean I dont understand why you attack blizz for 1. Your own assumptions that granted you did admit were wrong and 2. Costs and farm rate of mats are something made by the community not blizz themselves

If ‘we’ is meant to include me, that’s a negatory, batman. I was away from the game from a month with illness and I therefore didn’t have time to worry about what was coming out ahead, even assuming I’d be well enough to play then, and I certainly didn’t have time to gather the materials for something I knew nothing about.

I’d quote the old maxim about assumptions, but the forum would probably block my word.

What that has to do with my post I have no idea.

I didn’t ‘attack’ anyone - I said I found the Alchemy upgraded trinket system to be illogical. That’s called expressing an opinion. Something we are all able to do in our more-or-less free societies.

You state that the cost and limited access to these mats are an issue did you not?

I said that the material needed for the trinkets (a herb) was only available in one zone (Nazjatar) and that the herb nodes were not common. Also that they have been farmed fairly heavily by farming players and bots which made them even more difficult to gather.

That has nothing to do with how much they sell for on the AH. And I will rarely buy them because I don’t like supporting farming bots. While its possible many of the mats on the AH are gathered by normal players, many are not, and I can’t tell the difference, so I just don’t buy them at all.

Are you going to make another thread complaining about the upgrade recipe requires you to collect 20 Shred of Insanity which is required to make the item? And from your feed you don’t raid, pvp, or anything of the sort would take you a minimum of 20 weeks (about 5 months) from Uldum/Vale World Boss drops alone.

I have no idea what you are rambling about so I won’t bother responding to your anymore. You seem intent on having a go at me for some reason when all i did was post what I thought was a fairly reasonable post on an issue I found with professions in BfA.

Have a nice day. :upside_down_face: