So you hate Sylvanas and Garrosh right? Just making sure because you seem to be an undead fan.
How do you think they intended to receive it?
Hate? Not sure I can say I hate any Warcraft character currently as my apathy has grown through the expansion. Are you asking if Iâd consider them heroes?
I like Alliance Death Knights much more than Forsaken. Though not when theyâre pressed to âletâs be edgy for the sake of being edgyâ like how Legion went at times.
I feel like this forum is filled with people that cant help but talk during movies.
Some movies are slow, and sometimes the ending makes up for it.
So down in front, shhh.
This has been the seventh âmovieâ in the decade of so, not to mention numerous additional content (like novels). Or the numerous contradictory statements Blizzard has made. People who want to ignore the context of the current story would rather we bury our heads in the sand.
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I feel like a problem of this expansion is that theyâre trying to treat the story like a book or a movieâsomething the players consume, rather than participate in. In a book or movie, itâs very easy to say âSylvanas leads her army on a rampage through northern Kalimdor and burns down Teldrassil for shadowy reasons of her ownâ and expect people to just follow along for the sake of seeing where that leads. But in a game, not only is the payoff a lot slower, but our characters have to be participants in the story. That makes the kind of story they seem to be aiming for a lot harder to tell. I do think theyâre banking a lot on a big reveal about Sylvanasâs true intentions and expecting Horde players to feel satisfied when All Is Finally Made Clear. But even assuming theyâre right about that (which I think is unlikely), theyâre not giving us anything to chew on in the meantime. They donât even seem to understand that they need to give us something to chew on in the meantime.
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Or just wait until you see how it turns out so you can enjoy it. Thats what I do anyway. The Void is the real enemy, and it seems to have it out for Sylvanas in a bad way. So im just going to see were this takes us. Illidan/Zerg 2.0?
So I can do either of the following.
- Wait and see.
- Speak my mind hoping Blizzard might take notice.
One uses the only form of agency I have beyond not subscribing. You can wait and see if you wish. But telling others to sit back in regards to a story they donât enjoy is silly.
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The latter, I think. It would still have been pretty hard to argue that it was a valid target even without the novella. It was made explicitly clear that the only people there were noncombatants, and the Night Elf defenders had already surrendered by that point. They went out of their way to make sure we didnât really have a leg to stand on if we tried to defend it to anyone.
Quoting myself from another thread:
Theyâve written themselves into a corner. Not matter the outcome of this âwarâ or what fate they have planned for Sylvanas, a large chunk of the playerbase is going to be disappointed.
The only thing that they can do for me is to just not rehash the Horde civil war arc from MOP.
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I mean, Blizzard listening to fans gave us Cataclysm, and the Ending to WoD, Have it your way though.
Also is giving us Classic WoW.
I thought that had more to do with all the other private servers that they shut down. But im referring to the storyline in particular.
Before they said, âyou think you want it, but you donât.â Now theyâre doing it. However you want to slice it, it was a business decision based on demand.
I can speculate on negatives I think are their own genuine decisions. Cataclysm is a fond memory in comparison to recent events to me.
Thatâs how I saw the announcment on their 180 on WOW: Classic. Not because of the small group of players constantly asking for it⌠but as a way to entice those players to quit using private servers so they donât have to spend money in court defending their IP.
I think they want us to see Sylvanas as a military genius, but I donât think they intend for Teldrassil to be an example of it.
Well, I actually do play Horde (when I can stand to, in this expansion), and I donât think that.
A lot of people are supporting Sylvanas because theyâre tired of Horde civil war or because the devs are clearly trying so hard to make her unlikeable that the players are reacting with sheer spite. Not out of any particular animosity toward the Alliance in general or Night Elves in particular.
Honestly, I donât think they have. I expected her to value her own safety too much to be the one to throw the first punch in a war. With the information we have so far, the pretext for the war looks super-flimsy. That plus some coy hints in A Good War are the main reasons I think thereâs going to be a Big Reveal ⢠about her REAL PLAN ALL ALONG.
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I feel like they expected much stronger support, with the Saurfang faction being a vocal minority. I believe their comments and story direction regarding Teldrassil reflect that sentiment.
Iâm sorry, then tell me what Sylvanas fans are about, cuz through the context i get on social media including these forums, most of them just seem to constantly need Sylvanas to come out on top all the time regardless on how it impacts the story or the faction. They donât seem to care if the Horde becomes a nihilistic death cult, they just need Sylvanas to look cool. And itâs frustrating to me, cuz i used to like it when Sylvanas would tune into the story and have a cool moment, i thought it was part of her charm that even being on screen for 5mins was enough to make a huge high-point to an expansion. Now, she and the Forsaken have just completely hijacked the entire Horde narrative. Itâs not about what the Horde wants anymore, itâs about what Sylvanas and the Forsaken want and its frustrating that the story keeps bending over to support this rather than question it. Saurfang just feels like a token last second addition to the main story as cheap compensation.
I never said she wasnât a cool character, Iâm just frustrated with how she being written now as this semi-omnipotent goddess with near limitless abilities and is always treated like sheâs better than everyone else. Even when Thrall or Garrosh were Warchief, it never felt like the entire faction revolved around them. Sure, they were still very important, but it didnât feel like they were the only people that mattered. And thatâs pretty much what weâre getting with this story; Orc, Blood elf, Troll, Tauren, Goblin, everyone is just a nameless grunt under the forsaken banner, weâre all second priority until the Forsaken obtain their precious immortality, their omnipotence, their own hatred of life satisfied. This war is hardly about anything or anyone else but Sylvanas and her own personal vendetta against the living and desire to avoid her final death. And itâs painfully disappointing that the big faction war arc that has spanned over 10 years culminates entirely on the ambition of a single character who hardly had anything to do with the original faction war to begin with and for a purpose that doesnt define at all the identity of the Horde.
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Saurfang has two different cgi cut scenes which take a long time to make. Blizzard added a choice between him and Sylvanas due to feedback. I genuinely believe they intended a MoP repeat, and were shocked at the backlash.
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Yes. 10 characters
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