The Horde's Lasting Problem of Lacking Motivation

I disagree, I believe the Horde’s lasting problem is their inability to change a clearly broken system of government.

For all the talk of Horde being a family, the position of Warchief ensures it will only ever be a dictatorship and will inevitably keep dooming itself to repeat history. It worked with Thrall and Vol’jin because they was humble enough to value the counsel of the other Horde leaders, but when someone like Garrosh or Sylvanas took over, they chose not to listen to pretty much anyone and instead controlled it like it was their own personal empire.

How many times has the Horde been led down the path to destruction because of a poor Warchief? Out of the 5 Warchiefs it has officially had (or 6 if we count Ner’zhul), only Thrall and Vol’jin could truly be considered good ones while all the others turned it into a war machine bent on genocidal conquest.

It’s a bad system because there’s apparently no checks and balances for when a Warchief goes crazy with power short of challenging them to Mak’gora or outright rebelling like in SoO, which was a crowning testament to the failure of Horde governance.

If the Horde wants to be a family, they need to ACT like one. Put checks on a Warchief’s power instead of letting them do pretty much whatever they want, have them elected to the position in an official capacity instead of some vague ‘da spirits told me’ shenanigans, and give the other leaders of the Horde a means to remove a Warchief by an official process if they feel he/she is no longer acting in the interests of the Horde. Mak’gora is not how they should be determining who is right, GoT already showed us how well that usually works out.

Because if the Horde leadership don’t acknowledge they are as much to blame for the antics of deranged Warchiefs like Garrosh and Sylvanas by being willing participants, the cycle is never going to end and the Horde is never going to truly grow. Eventually, there’s going to be another Garrosh, another Sylvanas, and more blood will be pointlessly shed for them to realize they are the ones who ensure it keeps happening.

Do you believe that if the position of warchief is abolished at the end of this expansion, replaced with a democratically-chosen council, there will never be another evil Horde character who does bad things to make the Alliance angry?

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Anduin should have always been more “young Tywin lannister” than he is “john snow”

I don’t really feel anything but muted annoyance at Baine’s returning Derek to the Proudmoores. Sure, I’m glad Derek won’t be here anymore to be yet another monument to how evil Sylvanas is, but I just… Baine going rogue at the point where it best benefits Jaina or Anduin is just sad and predictable. Just as him going rogue being part of Sylvanas’ master plan is probably the next step.

I don’t feel any ‘oh, the Horde is coming to its senses.’ I’m just back at ‘oh, Baine did the most Baine thing he could do. Shocker.’

I’m counting down to where Derek becomes a tool for the story to show what a great and benevolent queen Calia would be if the Forsaken would just overthrow Sylvanas.

Dazar’alor doesn’t really motivate me against the Alliance. Once again, they’re too hyper-focused on making sure the Alliance are pure, angelic beings who can do no wrong, so there’s nothing in the raid to get me fired up. There’s nothing to avenge or characters I want to protect. Then there’s the whole “anathema to his noble soul” business which is just… ugh.

The lore discussion makes me feel torn. I’m glad they’ve stopped trying to pretend this is anything but a MoP rehash. But them admitting it just makes me even less motivated to want to see this out.

I don’t know. Everything just depresses me about the game right now and nothing’s giving me hope for the future. I feel miserable when I think we still have patches and patches more to slog through of this. And I know there’s no ending that’s going to make this right.

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Oh, but they promised it’s all leading somewhere “deep and meaningful”!