I am demanding punishment for the horde as a fictional faction. Punishment for the horde NPCs from the alliance NPCs. Not for the horde as a playerbase.
That’s why I complained about the alliance forgiving the horde once again, because it doesn’t make sense.
Why is it that only alliance is caught up in the vortex of victimization, demanding even worse story than before. To make you feel better. You know, whatever strokes your ego.
I feel sorry for people who are so caught up in horribly written fiction that they feel the need to directly punish fictional characters, rather than putting blame where it belongs - with the writers who have created this unsalvageable dreck.
Yes, the writers and the story they write is horrible. What makes you think that I’m saying anything different? I’m saying exactly that in like every single one of my posts
They have created this huge mess in BfA and instead of trying to write themselves out of it by making the characters act in a more logical way, they just write themselves deeper into the mess they’ve started.
You know these characters aren’t real and we’re playing a game right? What do you want the writers to do, make the horde pay war reparations? That’d be some exciting gameplay, helping the goblin clerks in orgrimmar file our taxes so a % of the revenue can go to the Teldrassil War Orphans fund
Because you keep saying “The Horde” like it’s some entity with free will. The writers decide what the Horde does, the players just follow along with the story. Punishing the Horde just makes half of the playerbase angry, it’s not going to make the Horde change in the story. Either punish the writers or move on.
I’m not asking them to punish the players of the horde. I’m asking for the alliance to punish the horde in a sense that it doesn’t affect horde players. An example for that would be pushing them out of the lands that they invaded against a treaty or forcing the horde to repair the lands that they destroyed. All of that could happen offscreen, but knowing that it happens would be enough
All these Horde players thinking this thread Elesana made is personal (and about them as players) are quite a spectacle.
I genuinely have no clue what you’re trying to mean with this.
Are you saying that horde will get the war mode “buff” in raids, which only gives more exp and gold, only because we’re horde?
The Horde will change because the writers say so.
Realistically it wouldn’t be so easy for a culture built around war to just give it up. But, this is a game with talking dragons, floating cities, and now little fox people running around screaming “For da Horde!” so…
Here’s the thing, actions in narratives can have consequences. We participate in said narrative. Nobody is saying “Punish Horde players for the writing they have no control over!” but what people are saying is that maybe if a story has a group doing what the Horde did that the Horde(in the narrative) need to face some consequences. Because the Horde(in the narrative) keep turning on people and doing bad things only for them to be like “Oh our bad. We shouldn’t have done that. We will be different this time!” two or three times.
I never understood the end of siege. The king makes threats when he was trapped miles below the city with the horde army above. They could have killed him right there. Then he looks like he saw a ghost when voljin says he is the leader.
Reporting in for my spankins, ma’am.
No one is outright saying that, but punishing the Horde “in the narrative” is no different than punishing the playerbase. We participate in the narrative, if the Horde gets punished then guess what? The story characters don’t get punished, they don’t exist, we get punished. We are the Horde or we are the Alliance. That’s how we experience the game.
Horde’s good now, good luck complaining about this for 2 more years
So you think that if 1 nation commits genocide against another and destroys their lands against a treaty, they shouldn’t face any punishments for that because that would feel bad for them?
An alternative is that they will return the lands and repair them free willingly, but as of 8.3 that seems very unlikely.
I’m not sure who you’re talking about. We killed some NPC’s, we didn’t kill a single Night Elf player. It’s the same as doing a quest. Should I face repercussions because I helped an Orc cut down some trees in Ashenvale? Technically you can “decline” quests, but it doesn’t change the outcome of the game at all and you’re just denying yourself the rewards.
The horde invaded Ashenvale and Darkshore and commited genocide. Now that the war is over, they should return Ashenvale and Darkshore and send their druids to get rid of the blight and regrow the land.
The fact that they’re not doing any of that and that anduin is not demanding that shows that both the horde hasn’t changed and that Anduin is not acting reasonably.
It feels stupid that the horde lore characters have to do absolutely nothing in compensation for what they did.
You didn’t answer my question.
I answered it multiple times already. No, I’m not talking about punishing the players.
No this is just incorrect. The Horde in story getting punished does not mean you get punished. You’re not going to lose items,levels,talents, access to dungeons,raids,pvp,etc. Your idea of “punishing players” is on par with saying Garrosh killing Krom’gar by throwing him off a cliff is punishment to Horde players because Krom’gar was a Horde character facing punishment.