Uhh … in BtS she LITERALLY STATES “Hope is a disease and I must cut it out”. She then rebuts Summermoon’s assertion that she “Cannot Kill Hope” with “Can’t I?”; before proceeding to cremate thousands alive in a Giant Tree in order to ensure that neither side has the option of backing out of this conflict. Seems like a pretty good indication of how she feels about “Hope”.
Also, don’t ever remember saying she was “corrupted” by Yogg; I think she’s being hella played by him though. She crucified herself on his blood and was sent to a horrific afterlife that she would have made any bargain to escape (and wouldn’t you know it, 9 Val’kyr were there to give her a FAR too good to be true deal to get her out of that place lickity-split). Then she ends up making deals with Helya, who has wonderful links to Yogg through being “turned” by Loken (according to Xal). Didn’t Helya look a bit too tentacle-y to NOT be the victim of the Curse of Flesh to you?
In short, she’s a pawn in someone else’s game and she doesn’t even know it … no magical influence required; just the power to pull one’s soul from their destined afterlife to another and a little false motivation (sort of like what happened to Vol’jin not so long ago). Man, Sylvie does that sort of crap to people all the time … it would be so damned poetic if she was on the receiving end of it; only to realize that the reason for her following in the footsteps of the monster she despised for so many years was a lie, and she’s just a mere tool in the pursuit of someone else’s goal.
I didn’t say where you were is great. I said that you don’t want to get out of that only to end up where the Horde currently is. Your current narrative is rough for its own reasons and Blizzard seems to have an issue with having things a bit too homogenised on the Alliance side but you don’t want that replaced by being put in a position where your faction identity and sense of value is thrown in a fire isn’t a better place to be.
Let’s also not pretend the Horde is a great land of winning over here. We literally have failed at almost every endeavour we have attempted this expansion. Literally killing G’huun is our one big win since Teldrassil and that ‘victory’ had so many negative consequences and seemed so pointless that it didn’t feel like much of a victory.
He is aware of the true gods of WoW and their desire for Horde subscription money and as such is trying to make excuses and scapegoat Sylvanas. All comes back to why this whole faction war was a bad idea from the start.
The other possibility there would be that the horde gets a winning position but Sylvanas gets bumped off and as such a more moderate warchief has control of the victorious horde and makes everyone stand down.
Not really a ok outcome for Alliance players. If BfA started with Teldrassil and ended with them losing it would be a pretty rubbish deal, particularly if their survival was bought with ‘Horde mercy’.
I think both sides getting thoroughly curb stomped by N’zoth is the way to go. I would say the Horde is already primed for it. For the Alliance, I would think what is needed to prime them really is a scenario where they put vengeance on the horde over the threat of the Old God. They get one really good licking in on the Horde then find they are extremely vulnerable to N’zoth and suffer a heavy loss to his forces as a result.
I think that is the only way they can at least get both sides off each other’s throats. Part of the problem in the past is no third party threat has ever conveyed a sense of threat sufficient to seem to justify putting concern for that over dealing with the other faction. I have outright seen posters argue that the Horde is the greatest threat the Alliance has ever faced. Considering the world ending threats, it is probably time one of them genuinely convince us they are a threat that is potentially world ending.
In short, have us lose, hard. Have us manage to stop things short of total destruction but make it clear we are seriously on the ropes and don’t seem to have an effective endgame victory scenario.
At this point we can probably skip the one good licking given to the Horde and just move on to the Alliance getting stomped by N’Zoth. For one thing, the Horde has suffered enough. The Alliance has been a step ahead of them through the entire War Campaign and has maintained the moral high ground despite doing quite a bit of morally reprehensible things.
For another reason, if the Alliance is at full power and gets stomped, to go from 100% to 30% or so, and in one move, not only does it deliver the message of threat posed by the Old Gods to the Alliance, but arguably to the Horde as well. The Worf Effect.
One of the reasons the Scourge was such a massive and legitimate threat in the Warcraft universe is, quite simply, that it took out the Alliance. Lordaeron, Quel’Thalas (not technically Alliance but still relevant), and Dalaran were all destroyed in a short span of time.
I agree, but I don’t think summing up her whole plan as ‘Killing Hope’ is a valid conclusion from those two tenuous sources. I mean, what does that look like, practically? Even if we accept it as her ideology it can’t represent her actual practical aims. Those, as we agree, are hidden.
Again, I’m familiar with your Yogg theories. They just don’t do it for me, although I do think they’re a fun and a neat way to pull together a lot of disparate pieces. I’m happy to be proven wrong but I just don’t think the writers have it in them, or that the sum of the pieces makes a whole.
Sylvanas being fooled just doesn’t fill the need for resolution as to how the Horde can move past Teldrassil. Her narrative is Horde narrative at this point, and a story where she’s in control but has gone too far does more for red team than a story where they were collectively duped.
Now, her being the tool of a higher power has been locked in since the quest confirming that Vol’jin was tricked. But there’s a world of difference between one where a higher power gave her the position because they knew she was the only one who could do what needed doing, and one where she was elevated only to fail. The Horde have had enough of that and I can’t see the twist of her true purpose being relevant if it doesn’t also subvert that trend.
This situation would not lead to a ‘Thralls Horde 2.0’ it would lead to ‘BFA 2: This Time It’s Personal’. The Horde Playerbase would settle for nothing less then full Independence from the Alliance, and in universe the Alliance could not simply stand back as the Horde re-armed and reformed.
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