Need to think. Are necromancers shamans? Are Acolytes of the Scourge Shamans?
And shamans will be needed to mend a hole in the sky. Is Ner’zhul returning as the savior of Azeroth?
if we’re using D&D cosmology locations, I’d peg Maldraxxus as a either a nicer version of Acheron or an undead themed Ysgard.
Shamanism isn’t the only kind of spiritualism that deals with death. Pretty much any kind of spiritualism is going to deal with it in some way and we see Holy Priests and Druids communing with the dead as well.
Citation needed
And the rest of my statement stands
Wisps? They are commanded rather than communicated.
I was going to argue how would protecting the veil be strictly shamany but then you went back to the “blizzard is actually racist” thing so I guess that’s my answer lol. (Yes I’m being facetious please don’t @ me.)
But as far as I can tell, Druids don’t really commune with the dead, unless you consider those in the Emerald Dream dead. Which you used to be able to do until Shadowlands.
But really a defender of the veil type of thing I feel wouldn’t even be a strictly shaman thing, mainly because of how many people have the power to benevolently talk to the dead for one reason or another and I’m sure there’d be much whinging all ghosts everywhere were actually shamans so how.
IRL Shamanistic cultures generally have a myth about how the land of the dead needs to be actively protected and permission needs to be asked and granted to commune with the dead, especially within Voodoo
There was nothing stopping Blizzard from making Bwonsamdi or Mueh’zala an Eternal One.
Anyone can access the dead through their power of choice and it is these Hypothetical Ghedhe that allow communication to occur. Same way Kyrians could stop a soul a necromancer has summoned but do not.
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i think he speaks about the ending of emerald nightmare raid, with a few spirits of the slaid ones
That’s hardly summoning/engaging with The Ancestors from Reality if that’s what he meant lol
Shamanistic races in-game are:
- orcs
- trolls
- tauren
- dwarves
- draenei
- Kul tirans (to an extent)
Would’ve been a cool tie in, to have a representation of Shadowmoon Valley, Auchindoun, Atal Dazar, and more. Just a land full of mini cities of the dead in the traditional sense.
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You know, I don’t have any problems with this theme per se, but it feels like you’re not so much concerned with the story, but with some social/race justice, right?
You want something you can identify with as a player, it’s not so much about the lore but about the injustice of not finding/having so much of it.
Poor tauren really are neglected.
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Laugh. This is ironic?
Hrmm, i mean, remember cata hyjal, the druids talk with the wild gods before they were reborn in the Dream, but atleast, your right, its not the same theme.
off the top of my head, there’s an in-game myth about how the ancestors help the sunrise with a specific name
Would’ve been fine with that guy being revealed to be one of Bwonsamdi’s titles and that he takes the form of the Tauren.
He just usually remains a troll cuz he was a proto troll long ago.
Tauren have a lot of moments where they commune with their dead ancestors, I’m not sure why you’d didn’t include them in this discussion about ancestors?
I did? Earlier. I said the ancestor realm should have a giant tipi
Oh when I replied the post did not mention Tauren, I was specifically talking about that post.
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They are communicated with and asked to do things. That’s pretty much identical to shamanism.
No. Undead like zombies, ghosts, banshees, etc don’t live in the Shadowlands. They live on Azeroth. That’s why they’re undead. They have yet to pass on to the afterlife. Same with Night Elf Wisps.
What makes the ancestors that speak to Shamans unique is that actually have passed on to the afterlife. They aren’t undead. They aren’t or zombies or ghouls or ghosts. They resided in the Spirit World, which is what WoW used to called the Shadowlands.
However, what you bring up is a very common misconception and one of the reason why so many real world traditions that engage in ancestor worship do get characterized as practicing black magic and forbidden necromancy.
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Do’t forget Pandaren! They seem to have a strong tradition of venerating past ancestors and can be Shamans too.
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