Because it would be better if you just accepted the fact that the majority of the high elves are already playable.
Also, you should know by now that trying to guilt trip by pinning malice to my intentions me wonât work.
It is lore bending when we have lore that says that they are the same already. You want a retcon to that⊠that indeed is lore bending.
Iâve come to sympathize with the antiâs notion that theyâre too similar, although Iâm definitely still pro High Elf in that Iâd totally race change all of my characters into them if they became playable
My issue is the lack of intellectual honesty when trying to dismiss High Elves, because as I said, almost every argument against them can be applied to Void Elves. The proper anti argument at this point is that we already got High Elves, except theyâre called Void Elves now. We on the pro side constantly argued for ways in which High Elves could be physically different, Void Elves arguably achieve just that
Yes and no. Theyâre on offshoot of Blood Elves, but not in the same way that Dark Ironâs are an offshoot of Bronzebeard dwarves. In that case theyâre at least a different tribe. The problem with High Elves is that theyâre literally Blood Elves, the same people from the same kingdom that speak the same language and share the exact same culture
âŠThing is, so are Void Elves. Blood Elf culture is Void Elf culture. Void Elves are also a simple retelling of the original TBC Blood Elf story line, subverting powerful magic through questionable methods in order to protect their kingdom and people, only itâs void this time instead of holy light. The same fantasy was already available on the Horde, just play a Blood Elf shadow priest
I have to guess that the craptastic addition that is Void Elves came about due to a rushed development cycle and lack of careful thinking and planning. If theyâre meant to be the High Elf compromise, it was done in perhaps the worst and laziest way possible
Blood elves are not high elves. Saying otherwise is the real lore-bending.
Thatâs not what lore says.
Not even Ion had the nerve to say that.
I donât care if you feel guilt or whatever. Iâm asking why you are all so bent into it. Itâs very clear you have nothing better to do here than play opposition for its own sake. All logical arguments ended very long ago, itâs now just a clear campaign to stop us.
Look at what âkind ofâ means.
Look up what âpretty muchâ means.
It means ânearlyâ, âalmostâ. Google it, come on!
They are not the same, just similar. Which is why changing their appearance solves the issue completely.
A range of change like was done to nightborne would be enough.
If we can have two night-themed elf races, we can have two bright-themed elf races as well.
Ionâs argument is that while there are differences, theyâre still too similar. The Proâs counter point is that while theyâre physically pretty much the same, faction allegiance is a huge defining difference, one in which wars are fought over
So lore-wise Iâd say High Elves make sense, itâs from a gameplay perspective that theyâre just not different enough
The very first topic I made that sparked this whole discussion back in 2017 was about how high elves could be changed if the problem is just their appearance.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/#1
That two years later antis still fail to address it shows how discussion with them is futile.
Half Elves still seem to be the most palatable choice, as even the most adamant of antiâs concede in that theyâd be the least offensive form of playable High Elves
Itâd still have to contend with the âNo more elvesâ crowd, but I think the High Elf request is popular enough to overcome that
But youâre talking about them as if they have any more voice then we do, if Blizzard one day decides to add HEs, and Senâlayn for example and then Half Elves as customization, the crowds and cliques on the forums being contrarian donât matter, they have a right to state their opinion as we do but they arenât some obstacle in our way only Blizzard is.
Those same people will have to just deal with it in the situation Blizzard reverses course and then starts giving off hand sarcastic remarks to support their decision.
I think people as customers can ask and should ask for anything they want, I donât see customers being contrarian to any said point as a real obstacle though, only Blizzard.
Except in the parts where the lore says that High elves decided to honor their fallen by adopting the name Blood elves. Honoring their fallen with a name doesnât change what they are.
Except in the part where thereâs mention that they do indeed look the same and even the opportunities where they behaved in similar ways.
Itâs ok, I wonât, even if you tried to.
Again with the âYou canât be hereâ spiel when you donât own the place?
I love high elves, thatâs why I want to keep their uniqueness as one of the Hordeâs emblematic races, thatâs my way to show my love for them.
No, you refusing to see the argument doesnât mean the âlogical arguments endedâ it just means you just donât want to see them even if they do exist.
Do whatever you want, ask for whatever race you like, Vrykul, jinyu, half elves⊠unicorns, knock yourself out.
Donât ask for a race that is already in the Horde, itâs that simple.
In the same speech they declared themselves no longer high elvesâŠ
Except that lore says in no uncertain words blood elves do not consider themselves high elves and do nor behave like high elves.
Come on! You directly ignore lore from official sources, including books and the encyclopedia, and Iâm lore-bending?
Discussion here is pointless. Yesterday, antis banded together to defend someone making baseless claims and refusing to point any real source, today you are directly contradicting Blizzardâs writing.
I just donât get it man. The thing is, both sides does argue from a lore point, but the lore is more of contradicting itself all the time to the point, who knows which is the correct term and which is the incorrect term.
Now, Half Elves does seem like a really good compromise, but ughâŠ
I dunno, I think Blizzard shouldâve used the High Elves that were already within the Alliance to become Void Elves instead of a group of blood elves followed by Magister Umbric.
I think everyone agrees with that.
Which will forever in my mind cast doubt that the Blizzard devs are 100% on board with no HEs or they would have just made them all VEâs, which means things can always swing the other way.
But Blizzard doesnât seem to follow there own story so well, hense forth, everything keeps changing.
It is as if the lore just keeps getting made up on the spot, to the point not much of it makes any sense.
Still using outdated lore I see.
Kaelâthas didnât give them the name as per Chronicles Vol. 3, they adopted it themselves, there was no speech.
And even if there was, again, honoring their fallen doesnât make them different, Iâm not suddenly a different person if I suddenly feel like honoring my dead grandma.
The sources that have not been retconned and you refuse to akcknoledge do, but as mentioned, those are incovenient to take into account, arenât they?
How about those quests that show them doing reckless things for magic much like a blood elf would? Also incovenient?
You are blatantly ignoring the encyclopedia when itâs specifically said they are the same right there.
I just checked the thread today and Iâm too lazy to scroll down through 5 days of responses, I donât even know what happened yesterday, but you complaining about people ignoring Blizzardâs writing itâs pretty rich.
No, I donât think Blizzard cares as much about the minutia of the lore as people who do things like argue about elves for 15 years.
Very few fantasy publishers do.
We are filthy, disgusting nerds.