Well I am glad you admit it
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As I said, I donât think HEâs should be an AR because they are popular and that popularity doesnât equate quality.
If I ever came across as saying âwell HEâs are popular and that makes them a good ARâ wasnât my intention. If I recall correctly I have said how the Horde has gotten popular requests as playable while the alliance only has gotten only one.
Even so, still, popularity doesnât equate quality.
Whut.
IDK⊠Depends on the mood, I, as a human, at the time possess? TBH I have always thought myself as snarky more often my not.
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Dude, like, come on, if your argument is âWell the BEâs didnât technically betray the allianceâ to dismiss the validity of the animosity the remaining High Elves and the Alliance feel it comes of as REALLY disingenuous.
And come on, Alleria is seething with rage when she learns her people joined the horde, she CLEARLY feels betrayed, as does Vereesa, for everything they lost during the Second War. Like how can you even say they donât feel subjectively betrayed lol.
I mean starting with the inability to understand how and why the HE and the Alliance would feel betrayed by the BEâs is a Galaxy Brain take my sweet jeesus.
The Silver Covenant literally enforced their Purge from Dalaran Bro, what other level of animosity you think itâs needed? I mean this gives the impression you believe that the SC was completely on the wrong here, despite they formed as a group specifically to oppose the Blood Elves.
So when a group literally forms on opposition to another, do you really think their existence is âcontrivedâ? The SC literally is made out of resentment against the BEâs -for reasons you donât believe exist BTW- and even if they are entirely subjective, they, they like EXIST.
Please Bro, like try to step outside of your bias and ask yourself; why does the SC hates the BEâs, of course even if you donât agree. Just do the exercise.
As for sympathy⊠well, yeah, why there wouldnât be? Even Vereesa, the most gung ho HE who has personally oversaw the assault on BEâs believes they can be redeemed.
That doesnât mean sheâs okay with them being on the Horde yanno.
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The argument isnât about a technicality. It literally is âthe blood elves didnât betray the allianceâ, because there was nothing they did which could be interpreted as a betrayal. There is literally nothing in the story suggesting they feel the blood elves betrayed them in anyway. The high elves donât like that the BE joined the horde, but they do not feel betrayed. I think it is rather disingenuous to suggest such a thing is the case.
Except both Vereesa and Alleria never stated such a thing fbetrayal that is your forced interpretation.
Alleria is feeling so betrayed she then tried to recruit the blood elves to the alliance. YeahâŠnoâŠ
Vereesa states outright she would have been a blood elf if it was not for Rhonin, and that she sympathized with them. This occurs before WotlK, when it was well known that the blood elves joined the Horde. So where is the feelings of betrayal?
Alleria is angry because the Horde caused the death of her brother, but she later lets this anger go as we see in the nightborne recruitment quest where she asks if the blood elves will turn to the alliance. She learns about the circumstances regarding it, and makes no suggestion of feeling betrayed.
Probably because the reason I donât understand is because it doesnât exist..
There is literally no lore suggesting they feel any form of betrayal regarding the blood elves.
The only group of high elves who felt betrayed were the high elves of quelâdanil. TRhey felt betrayed because even though they fought to restore Silvermoon they were exiled because they had a different view and that was it.
What happened? They died.
So the storyline of betrayal does not exist.
Did you just think it existed because Kizzan started saying it existed and because he wants high elves you were biased to agree?
You mean the purge of dalaran storyline which was closed up in MoP with Garrosh being blamed as the instigator of the matter and the SUNREAVERS no longer being considered responsible?
Vereesa didnât blame the blood elves, she blamed the sunreavers specifically. You are ignoring the details and nuances of the story to push a narrative that didnât exist, and even if it did exist, was closed up in MoP.
yes, especially because Vereesa states she sympathized with the blood elves PRIOR to the formation of the Silver Covenant and even after the Silver covenant was formed, it was in regards to being suspicious of the Horde, not the blood elves nor any feelings of betrayal were suggested or state.
Youâre literally jumping onto a make believe storyline that Kizzan admitted he was mistaken on solely because you both want high elves playable. I am biased though apparently 
They donât. The story does not exist. Do the exercise of existing in reality dude.
Which isnât the same as feeling betrayed which has never, ever, been stated in any storyline whatsoever.
Just because people want high elves too, does not mean you need to nod your head up and down in agreement. Kizzan was wrong, you are too.
Oww, the victim took its claws off.
Looking like a little cute hypocrite, I wonder if you represent the same group that constantly try to paint themselves as victims of the meanie Antis.
One might wonderâŠ
Anyway, I donât know how selfish you have to be to ignore people that actually have doubts, fears, and donât want stuff they like taken away from them for the sake of getting it yourself. Its⊠disgusting. But its not like you guys care about others tho. I mean, your group pretty much made enemies because of thatâŠ
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I donât know who is playing victim worse here? You sound petty my friendâŠ
As if we have all of the power to press a button and add them⊠just to cause âdamage?â Almost as if you want a cease and desist on the subject.
Asking for something ever hurt anyone in world of Warcraft. Us big meanie pro helfers being so toxic and stuff 
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Im not a victim, I never tried to paint myself as one.
I wouldnât say petty tho, I believe sassy goes better with me.
But I guess you should thank some of your Helfers for that.
Plainly ignoring and calling the disdain Trolling is pretty much toxic you know?. But you kinda missed spammy and stubborn. So Im leaving those here for you.
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Itâs like them joining the Horde made her change her feelings.
Like seriously dude, this whole post of yours is the mother of all stretches to say that HEâs and the Alliance donât have ill feelings towards the Horde.
Like this, to pretend all of the animosity between them was done after MoP ended. What even.
Itâs like you donât understand why them joining the Horde would feel like a betrayal and like, the reason of Vereesaâs change of mind dear lord. Like Alleria is seething with rage when she knows Sylvanas leads the Horde âafter anything they did to our people during the warâ and you donât think the decisions of the Blood Elves would be seen under a similar light?
What even is this Bro? Are you really going to say now that the High Elves donât dislike or have resentment against the Blood Elves? Like come on, itâs like you are totally blind to how joining the Horde would have felt like a betrayal.
And thatâs the point, what do you think itâs the cause of the animosity the SC felt to even form if not betrayal? Thatâs why I came to you for the âsubjectiveâ part about your comment dude.
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If anyone is being âtoxicâ or âpettyâ, then ignore them. You only enable them with a response. Itâs also important to be able to tell the difference between someone taking something like this seriously or not. If someone disagrees with you, then itâs just that and nothing more.
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There was significant conflict between the high elves and the orcs in the second war, and they had joined the alliance in their fight against the Horde after they had put fire to their lands. Before joining with the Horde, they have been enemies of trolls, orcs, and the undead. It makes since why there is a significant amount of high elves with the Alliance.
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Except that she knew they had joined the horde when she stated she sympathized with them. It was not something that occurred after her statement.
That is a strawman and I expect better of you. My statement is no ill feelings towards the Blood Elves.
Well letâs see.
WoD? No animosity.
Legion? no animosity. Working together.
Three sisters comic? No animosity. Simply sympathy and a desire for them to be alliance.
Alleria? Same thing
none is given dude, youâre assuming there is something there. Youâre saying âwell she learned they joined the horde.â.
No, she already knew they joined so that isnât it. She then changes her mind again in three sisters.
So much rage that in three sisterâs, that she displays surprise and shock at how she has changed.
The rest of your post is simply you espousing how you dislike I am not agreeing with you. Simply because I do not agree, does not mean I do not understand. Yet, you are trying to push a non-existent narrative.
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I canât wait for high elves to be a playable horde race alongside their fellow horde kin.
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/waves âŠ
ButâŠNight of the Dragon canonically takes place immediately after TBC, meaning that a Vereesa who has a worldview that fits with the idea that she has knowledge of the outside worldâŠmeans she would have known that the Blood Elves already joined the Horde.
Which makes her sympathetic notions towards the sinâdoreiâŠmake no sense with what you have concluded.
Because there hasnt been any real writing for the high/blood elf feud after MistsâŠeven in Legion, the high elves receive no actual progression of this plotâŠgiving someone who may not have the nostalgic ties to the race that the feud may be taking the back burner or its in its maturity stage of its life cycle.
Blame the writing.
Alleria seethes with rage as she sits on a boat doing nothing and not developing a character too.
Yea for some reasonâŠshe had a more larger reaction to the sindorei joining the Horde for survival than she did for her own compatriots of Dalaran joining Malygos to kill all the mages.
Its like the writing hasnt been straightforward and very directional when they choose to be.
But the Silver Covenant are home. Unless you are counting the 2 with invisible Silver Covenant tabards.
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Not sure where you got trolling out of what I said but⊠okay?
Iam able to discern between trolling and disagreement⊠some seem to have a difficult time with that though.
so what? what do you think jaina would have done if they rebuffed her order? she would have cast them out along with the sunreavers. this is also easier to swallow for vereesa because this happens directly after theramore. after MOP concludes and we head to garroshs trial, vereesa learns the truth of how events transpired and her anger is transferred to garrosh. she hates him so much and fears he might get to live or find a way to escape that she reaches out to her sister and conspires a plot to kill him
there is currently ZERO animosity between high/blood elves. we have already seen them answer haldurons call for aid to defend quelâthalas. we see vereesa and the farstriders in legion act on a tip from a demon that alleria was on niskara and the farstriders/sc go there to rescue her but only find her bow(thasâdorah) which they were using as bait. these are also the only appearances the SC make without being in the context of dalaran. you are pushing a fanfiction that they HATE each other to prevent reunification, when in actuality they only hate the allies their people have chosen
Edit: also heres a picture for people who like to fanfiction that because an NPC is flagged hostile in an area where the other faction shouldnt be means something
https://imgur.com/a/q001ZED
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Someone tell me if Saurfang and Thrall are friendly or not when the rescue for Baine takes place. I am sure thereâs tons of examples.
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They where from what I remember.
The shortly after that Lorâthemar was when he was our bodyguard.
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Thereâs actually no âtechnicallyâ about it. The High Elves had already left the Lordaeron Alliance prior to the Scourge, immediately after the Second War in fact, and frankly itâs not like ranks of humans, night elves, and dwarves were standing shoulder to shoulder with them at the Scourge of QuelâThalas.
The Blood Elves were betrayed by their own kind - they were in no way betrayers.
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